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Another meal bill splitting thread...

215 replies

frenchfancy17 · 25/01/2018 16:12

Went out for a family meal today. I had a meal and dessert which came to £12.
I asked my mum to give my share of the money to person who paid the bill on their card for convenience as I had to dash for the School run and then I'd pay her back.

Get a text off my mum asking me if I'd known we were paying a bit towards my grandparents meal too (it was my grand birthday.) I text her back saying I didn't know this and how much was it then?

She texts back saying £20.
There was 10 of us at the meal including grandparents. 4 others had alcohol and expensive meals compared to mine... My auntie decided that we could just split the bill (8 of us.)

My mum said she said this at the table AFTER the meal. I didn't hear it!

She's being a CF isn't she?
My mum's also annoyed at it being decided for us!

OP posts:
SnorkFavour · 26/01/2018 22:20

Grannytomine is right.

Your aunt and to a smaller extent, your mum sound like CF's.

You dont have a meal and tell everyone else afterwards that they're expected to cover everyone elses drinks, you have no idea what people can afford.

If your grandparents fish and chips plus coffee was £11 each, thats £22. Excluding the grandparents thats split between 8 others so, £2.75.

I could easily afford to pay more, but for the ambiguity and sheer CFery of it, I'd pay simply that.

People are saying 'oh its only £8 (or whatever your family are demanding)' and 'I wouldn't fall out with my family for this sum ... I never understand this thinking. If its 'only' £8 then surely your family will feel the same about not falling out with YOU and just put this one down to experience because of their unclear directions over it.

I'd be the one drinking at a meal like this, but would never expect anyone to pay for my drinks. If I have a meal that someone else has insisted paying for and I know they're not particularly flush I just ask for tap water to be able to let the payer enjoy the meal without worry.

You should just pay the £2.75 and maybe a tip.

SnorkFavour · 26/01/2018 22:23

Sorry I just re-read the OP and realise that your mum was just as shocked, so no she's not a CF but your aunt seems to be one. How dare she drink and expect her niece to pay for her drinks!

MiddleClassProblem · 26/01/2018 22:24

But that’s how averaged work and that’s how they split the bill... It’s a bit sad that people have to be asked to leave a tip.

If money is tight, is everyone else meant to guess? OP didn’t seem like it was so tight she could afford a tip, just sounded money conscious but either way if you are co Verne’s about money and eating in a large group you just casually mention a tight budget and wanting to pay for what you eat. If someone mentions paying for gps too you can agree to that. But it is much simpler to just split it than go through itemising 10 meals and then adding a split of what two had particularly when you’re meant to be celebrating someone’s birthday so it’s totally reasonable that it was split this way as no one said can we do it the other way.

I hope they left a tip.

Touchmybum · 26/01/2018 22:45

I think it's a good idea usually to divvy up the bill with 'drinkers' paying a little more than 'non drinkers' - though soft drinks can be pricey enough too!

Maybe your mum will subsidise you OP if you can't afford the extra few quid.

My kids haven't had any grandparents since they were very young. They would love to have your 'problem', and I know this for sure, even though they're students/work part-time, they'd never be online whinging over £8, because they are generous to a fault!

MipMipMip · 26/01/2018 23:14

To all the people saying £8 is nothing, on jobseekers you get £317 a month. So roughly £10 a day. Less if you are under 25.

In other words, £8 is almost a day's entire budget. I don't know the op's situation but that is a big % of anyone's income.

Plumes · 26/01/2018 23:19

The OP's situation is that she's tight.

MiddleClassProblem · 27/01/2018 00:09

MipMipMip I’m fairly sure op isn’t in job seekers or homeless or living in a shanty town in Brazil.

It is a lot of money to some people, I have even said if money is tight you should say so because it’s not for others to assume but there’s nothing that OP suggests that money is so tight she has saved up for this meal as I’m sure it would have been said or her mother would have known. It is mostly about paying extra when it wasn’t prediscussed.

I count my pennies but would have waved this. To me the extra £4 that subsides pther would be a nice family evening meal but if I couldn’t afford it I would have stated so. I would have left a tip though and budget so.

I’m sure if you were in this situation you would have asked if you could just pay what you owe and maybe not had a dessert so it were cheaper still. It’s not the same situation.

Fullerhouse · 27/01/2018 02:17

I’m loving how many people are mentioning a tip here, I work in a well known chain of restaurants and you’d be surprised how many people don’t tip. Even big groups who have you running back and fourth for them don’t leave a tip. I find elderly are the ones who always do and say thank you which is lovely.

Fullerhouse · 27/01/2018 02:20

And to your question op for such a small amount I wouldn’t worry about it, splitting it evenly just made it more simpler if you’d gone somewhere more expensive then I could understand working out how much each should put towards grandparents meal and adding it onto your individual total. I’d let it go on this one.

Purplealienpuke · 27/01/2018 07:05

VladmirsPoutine how about piss taking bastard PTB?? just for a change?? 😂
OP it's £8. Unless you're seriously financially strapped then pay it without moaning

SoupDragon · 27/01/2018 09:05

Are people really so socially unaware that they think everyone has the money to “just pay it”?

rebbykay · 27/01/2018 09:09

Back when I was really poor, I'd always make it clear at the start of the meal that I only had enough money to pay for what I had, so if the rest wanted to have prosecco or steak and split it, that was fine but I couldn't contribute. Nobody ever had a problem with that at all.

Saying that, you have only had to pay £4 per grandparent and £12 is already incredibly cheap for a meal. I doubt you've subsidised much except maybe paid for an 8th of a pint or two.

In the future, just be honest. It's always a big relief to hear people say "no, that's absolutely fine, just pay for what you've had."

Tonkatol · 27/01/2018 09:12

Sorry but I think most of you are being unduly harsh here. OP may have been quite happy for DM to know she has financial restraints but doesn't necessarily want to broadcast it to everyone else. OP spent within her budget and is happy to contribute to GP meals. She did stay until they left the restaurant but didn't go back to the house. She checked with DM about paying her share of bill. OP could reasonably have expected to pay bill at restaurant. It strikes me that there are a great number of people commenting who are fortunate not to have to adhere to a strict budget. I'm astounded that some feel OP shouldn't have gone out if on a budget and also feel she should have worn a badge of shame stating "i am not financially flush". Personally, I'm surprised, given there were only 10 at the table, that nobody seemed to notice this from the choices OP made. In which case, Aunt could have used a bit of discretion back at home and asked the OP's DM what OP had paid (I know OP told her mother she would pay later but probably told her how much her food came to). Then Aunt should have then taken OP's contribution off total and split remainder between 7 - no need to mention anything to anyone else.

As for the tip, i have worked in restaurants and it can very much go either way - at Christmas there have been parties of 30+ having a set menu, whereby the organiser has collected the set amount for the food, eg £25 per head, up front and people have then bought & paid for their own drinks. Working on a 10% ratio, 30 people x £25 equals £750, so a tip of £75, yet literally only a couple of coins have been given. If i have arranged a Christmas meal for a group of friends that get together, i add the tip into the cost of the meal - it would have been kind and fair if a group of 30 had a fixed price meal and the organiser had at least collected a £1 tip from each person but that is often not the case, whereas a group of 6 dining out may leave a £50 tip.,

StepAwayFromGoogle · 27/01/2018 09:15

Surely an easier way to do it is to divide the alcohol bill between the drinkers and the food bill between everyone? I hate it when people get out calculators and start totting up their bit of the bill. Do you really resent having to pay an extra 20p because one of your mates or family had a garlic bread?!

UgandanKnuckles · 27/01/2018 09:19

I think it's bit cf to expect your grandparents to pay for their own birthday meal. If money is so tight I'd have at least asked about this before hand.

ChocolateWombat · 27/01/2018 09:46

Even if it feels a bit embarrassing, if you only want to pay for what you have had, you simply do have to be clear about it upfront at the start of the meal. It isn't other people's responsibility to mind read and saying it at the start is important, so no-one feel ambushed later.

The problem is the OP felt ambushed by a decision made by one person at the end of the meal. She didn't like it. Equally people, don't like it when someone announces at the end that they want to do the bill in a way which will disadvantage them. Being upfront is so important.

If you have plenty of money or don't care about how the bill is sorted, then You have the luxury of not needing to speak up at the start of the meal. If you really need to only pay for exactly what you have or that's what you want to do, however awkward you feel, then you don't have the luxury of waiting and seeing how it all pans out - because a splitting decision is very very common.

So OP needed to speak up at the start. She didn't and no one else did until the end and when that happens, often whoever speaks first determines how the bill will be paid. It's hard to avoid this - so pre-empting is vital if the outcome really matters.

It's tricky when it's someone's birthday. Social awareness comes into it, so not embarrassing the birthday person. OP could have said at the start, that she was keen to pay for herself, but that would prompt a discussion about paying for grandparents in front of them. Not what you want. She could have said that she's like to pay for herself plus a share of the grandparents too - but then there could be someone (like op) who objected either openly or on MN because they weren't consulted and couldn't afford it.

Perhaps the ideal would have been to text round beforehand and suggest paying for grandparents, plus Op could only pay for her meal and not bill split. It's becoming convoluted and complicated, which is why people often don't do this, but actually do what the aunt did and have one person pay the bill, to remove any awkwardness from the grandparents and sort it out afterwards. Of course the problem was that OP wasn't there later to voice her dissatisfaction with how it was worked out. It's hard to complain if you're not there. It really wasn't the mothers job to say what OP would like to do or for the aunt to predict - the aunt was managing the situation with the GP in mind and looking for a simple solution - seems reasonable in the situation, given OP hadn't expressed any thoughts on the matter at all.

Key point; if you feel strongly about these things and really don't want to split, you must say so in advance. If you don't, it's difficult to moan about it. Your idea of not splitting is no more or less valid than the view that splitting is best.

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed · 27/01/2018 10:03

In this situation I think most people would of naturally assumed you’d all be covering your grandparents share which is probably why they didn’t feel the need to discuss.

But also if it was my mum and she knew I wasn’t particularly flush, she’d of just covered it for me

grannytomine · 27/01/2018 10:09

I hope they left a tip. Hope the service warranted one.

LakieLady · 27/01/2018 10:26

I always assume that a total bill be split across the whole group, unless it's a treat for part of the group, like Op's GPs.

I think anyone who doesn't want to pay an equal share should ask for a separate bill at the outset.

user1470055656 · 27/01/2018 10:28

You really need to get over it. Seriously, £8?!

kaytee87 · 27/01/2018 10:58

So there were 10 people at the meal (including grandparents) and they're asking 8 of those to pay £20 each (£160) so each persons average meal cost £16 including tip i assume? It doesn't seem like everyone did spend loads more on food & drink than you did tbh op. To make it exactly fair you should pay £4 towards your grandparents food although I'd probably just pay the £8 for an easy life.
That said they shouldn't have Just decided to do this amongst themselves.

MipMipMip · 27/01/2018 11:09

Why would the OP feel the need to mention she was paying for her own meal and not splitting their bill when this was what they had done every time previously? The aunt changed the system that had been used many times with the same group of people without consultation.

I read it as the OP's DM ended up paying a lot more than her meal too. Sounds to me unlike the aunt someone had a far more expensive meal than the rest.

meredintofpandiculation · 27/01/2018 11:19

Do you really resent having to pay an extra 20p because one of your mates or family had a garlic bread?! Of course people don't mind that. What people mind is paying £40+ when their meal plus tip was about £30 - and they mind because the reason they're in that situation is because they are a small eater, so no, it doesn't "balance out in the long run". So they are always the ones paying extra for the benefit of their friends' company.

MiddleClassProblem · 27/01/2018 11:27

grannytomine the OP admits they forgot the tip. This suggests the service was fine at very least.

rebbykay · 27/01/2018 11:35

@Tonka - why should it be a "badge of shame" to not be financially flush? It isn't something to be ashamed about.

The fact that we aren't more open about things like affordability is probably why so many people end up in piles of debt.

It's not shameful to say you only want to pay for your own food. If anyone makes you feel ashamed, it is them who have the problem, not you.

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