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AIBU to not understand this bs around 'step' children?

262 replies

WitchyMama3 · 22/01/2018 10:38

^^ Just that.

I've only recently joined mumsnet to be able to post but I've been 'lurking' for the better part of a year or so and every thread I've come across where 'step' children are involved are just awful to read.

Just because a child doesn't share the same DNA does that mean they are not entitled to a shred of decency?
They haven't asked to be put in this situation so why do so many mumsnet users see fit to treat them as second class citizens?

OP posts:
ShastaTrinity · 22/01/2018 11:22

You can't realistically expect someone to treat other children like their own, it doesn't work that way in real life! Decency and kindness should be a given however.

I don't think it's fair to expect extended family - grand-parents, uncles etc.. to suddenly treat step children as their own. These children have their own grand-parents and family anyway!

In real life, you can't win anyway. Be as strict with step-kids as your own, and you are evil. Let them do as they please, and it's your own kids who suffer. It's never that straight forward. Add money dispute between the parents, and it's a recipe for disaster.

beverlybothered · 22/01/2018 11:26

@ShastaTrinity

I treat someone elses children like my own, really its not hard. What about adopted, egg donor, sperm donor, surrogate children etc? Can they not be expected to be loved equally because they might not have the same shared DNA as a biological child would?

Placeboooooooo · 22/01/2018 11:28

I have been at both ends of the spectrum. I’m a step daughter and I have my own step daughter. My step mother is vile and has alienated my spineless father against me, my step father isn’t my cup of tea either but in many ways he stepped up where my father shied away.

I know myself as a SM that we can be treated like total shit. We take the brunt of the confusion that step children experience, we are often used as scape goats to conceal real problems that need dealing with, for a lot of us, we feel as if we are treading on egg shells.

I’ve always said that I would never be cruel and callous like my own step mother. I struggle some days and feel as though I can cope anymore but I try my god damned hardest and myself and DSD are close.

Blackteadrinker77 · 22/01/2018 11:30

Children described as "Just your partners kids" and "Someones cast offs" really shows you how some so called humans think.

I can only think that they have very sad lives in the real world and just post for a reaction.

Meanwhile in the real world the good step parents are surrounded by their loving children, whether they be biological or step.

Placeboooooooo · 22/01/2018 11:31

beverly you’re not a dick at all. I’ve seen your thread. I’m so lucky that my DM treats both of our DD’s the same. Probably because she’s a decent person who would never intentionally leave a child out and make them feel in anyway less loved than their sibling. It is not through any fault of the child that they found them selves to be part of a blended family and adults too should understand and respect that. I pity you but most of all unity your mother for not opening her heart to children whom you have chosen to love like your own. Yes, she’s not obliged to treat them like her own but if she was a decent person then she would!

InBlackwaterWoods · 22/01/2018 11:33

Agreed. Step parents absolutely cannot win on MN. Even on the step parenting forum, I've been ripped apart for daring to have feelings about my SC's.
FWIW, like most steps, I'm not the OW, I don't want to be their mum, but when the actual mum is emotionally neglectful, I 'step' in to be the mother figure (because I'm kind, not because I want to be the mother and am in fact hiding my own evil agenda.) And yes, I do have my own children, who sadly are often overlooked in the drama and picking up the pieces surrounding SC and their mother.
Stepparents are mostly doing their best in a tough situation-and don't bother trotting out that 'well, you CHOSE to get with a man with kids' line. You don't always get to choose who you fall in love with.
But as I often tell the SC's-I love them because I choose to, because they're amazing little people.
The next time a step parent posts, maybe think that this is a person who is feeling emotionally stretched and conflicted, who is tired of wiping away tears of their husbands children. Whose doing their best to forge an emotional bond with a child they may not always like!

I came to MN for support, I dared to share my feelings and look for someone else who could help me. I did find likeminded people, sadly the vast majority of posters who attacked me personally for feeling down, have ensured I rarely post for support.
Slight derail there, but theres been some horrid comments towards stepparenting last night and today.

beverlybothered · 22/01/2018 11:34

@KungFuPandaWorksOut16

I have said Its not about what she feels, its how she acts. She dosnt act fairly, that is the problem.

MrsMaxwell · 22/01/2018 11:37

InBlackwaterWoods

Yes I agree 100 % with everything you have said.

WitchyMama3 · 22/01/2018 11:38

Maybe I should just go back to lurking, I'm clearly not ready to MN yet, though from what I've seen it doesn't matter whether you're watching a thread or not because most of them seem to get deleted and the OP either gets flamed or everyone's for them regardless of what they're posting about.

I'm a parent and step parent myself, I get that parenting on it's own is difficult and we need to be able to vent about crap, whether it makes us look like saints or steaming piles of shit, -I'm probably the later on that -

beverly it was your thread that stemmed mine to be honest, reading through some of the comments on there I just couldn't understand how callous some people are!
I'd class myself as one of the lucky ones where my own blended family seems to be working, my family - including aunts/uncles etc have taken my partners son on as if he was there from the beginning and my partners family have taken both of mine on without a second thought

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RedDogsBeg · 22/01/2018 11:39

You are not the dick beverly nor are you behaving like one that title has been won several times over by posters on your thread.

Your dm doesn't deserve any of your children's love and respect, don't subject any of them to her the only loser will be your dm.

LoverOfCake · 22/01/2018 11:40

in my opinion women are generally not cut out to be step parents. And I say women rather than people because as a general rule women give birth to their own children so it stands to reason that a woman is going to bond differently towards a child she has given birth to than with one she hasn’t, whereas men don’t give birth to any of their children,added to which because a woman has a different relationship with her own children she is less likely to tolerate a man in her life who doesn’t accept her children, whereas men tend to put the woman first and the children second, especially if the children only come for access weekends rather than living their full-time as the woman’s children often do.

You only have to look at the number of fathers who walk away from their biological children vs the number of mothers who do the same to see that although it of course goes without saying that biological fathers do love and bond with their children, that bond is clearly more easily broken than that of a mother.

The thing is that many don’t realise how difficult step parenting is until they’ve been there, and by then it’s too late. But I know that when I split from my ex my initial thought was that I would only want to be in a relationship with someone who had children because only someone who was a parent would understand what it’s like to be a parent. However I ended up in a relationship with someone who doesn’t have children and I am now glad that that is the case, because having seen first-hand what happens when a child is brought into a relationship with other children plus step parents plus biological children further down the line it is more often than not a recipe for disaster, because no-one really considers the thoughts and feelings of the children in all of it when you have some part-time children, some full-time children, and are still expecting them all to be accepting of each other, the new situation and the step parents.

And more often than not it is the children who bear the brunt of the frustrations. And more often than not the ex gets the blame for everything even if the new partner hasn’t witnessed it first hand.

And the advice towards stepmothers and stepdads differs so widely.

Stepmother posts that she hasn’t been accepted by the DSC and she is told to distance herself, have nothing to do with them and let him parent his own children. Woman posts that her children won’t accept her partner and she is told to put her children first and bin the partner.

And the comments on that other thread are shockingly vile, down to one who has told the OP that he is only “playing daddy to someone else’s children” and is being unreasonable.

I do wonder what the children of today will think when they are adults and can speak more freely about the numbers of blended families etc and the impact that has had on them and on society.

someone linked to some research recently which suggested that blended families are in fact bad for children and I do wonder whether some of this will be born out in years to come.

MuseumOfCurry · 22/01/2018 11:47

I agree 100% with LoverofCake.

Personally, I think blended families are generally shit for the kids involved. Where the parents/step-parents involved are quite thoughtless to the dynamics - like, for example, they must have a new baby while everyone is still quite raw, something you'll see a lot of - they'll get a lot of stick.

WhooooAmI24601 · 22/01/2018 11:49

For every 'fair' Step-Parent thread on here there'll be one that's ridiculous. The ridiculous ones garner more attention and stay active for much longer. I've seen plenty where people have offered measured, sensible advice and not harangued the Step Parent.

DH is Step Dad to DS1. I've never felt the need to post on here about him simply because he's a great Dad to him. He just gets on with it; no 'mine' and 'his', it's just family. When DH talks to people about DC he calls them "our boys".

DS1 hasn't ever been treated differently by DH's side of the family for not sharing their blood; they simply accepted this new child into their family, loved him and built a bond. It's pretty simple for most people. I was adopted at 10 and never felt as though my family felt any differently towards me because I didn't have the same bloodline. If anything I was closer to my Grandparents than any of my cousins who were born into the family. Loving children is quite a straightforward thing, really, if you're willing to be kind and fair.

There are shite step parents around, just like there are shite actual parents around. It's just that "Look at my Great Step Dad" threads don't get started because MN tends to be about the bad stuff rather than the good.

trippingup · 22/01/2018 11:51

I agree and if the Stepmum doesn't have children then she is expected to fully share the costs of the children, put her life on hold, yet not question anything to do with the children, even if they are being extremely disrespectful and willfully destroy her house. @birdsgottafly couldn't agree more!

I'm a step parent and it is so hard! Hard because the DC's mum is difficult, I fit in with all the family plans and have no say, I spend lots of extra time cooking, cleaning etc. But I love my DP to bits so wouldn't have it any other way. I do get upset and frustrated A LOT so it must be hard for my DP to deal with me too.

wink1970 · 22/01/2018 11:52

I waved my (33yr old) stepson off yesterday after a great night socialising with him & his dad & a big breakfast the next day!

I 'inherited' him when he was 13 and we often speak openly about the shock to the system for both of us. It took us a year or two to get the balance right, and I made mistakes. With no bio-children, my family have wholeheartedly embraced him (and his sister and now her 2 children) but we all know it's not always like that.

Step-parenting takes hard work and an ability to accept when you are wrong, It helps if the kid is lovely, but then most are only not lovely because they are feeling unloved/confused/angry ... and that is the bio-parent's responsibility to help address.

But to answer the OP, I do feel MN is harsh towards step-parents. It can be a real nest of judgy-pant vipers.

Enidthecat · 22/01/2018 11:55

Once you've become a step parent and dealt with the million issues that come with that. Come back and have a whinge.

Until then? Keep your nasty uneducated thoughts to yourself.

KayaG · 22/01/2018 11:56

I agree and if the Stepmum doesn't have children then she is expected to fully share the costs of the children, put her life on hold, yet not question anything to do with the children, even if they are being extremely disrespectful and willfully destroy her house.

Absolutely. I've commented twice in the past few days about the abuse steps mums have been getting and reported a few.

BeyondThePage · 22/01/2018 12:01

It is tricky - step families are more complicated nowadays - my husband's brother got divorced,

his wife remarried - my kids' cousins have step sisters and DH brother's ex wife then had a child - so a half-sister to my kid's cousins -

then their dad sadly died

she has remarried again and has further step kids -
plus new hubby's step kids (that he still sees as his kids since he was their dad from their very young age) from a previous relationship.

Should we treat them all as our kids cousins? Despite only every having met or knowing the name of their blood-cousins - for want of a better word.

My MIL does not know what to do.

WeeBeasties · 22/01/2018 12:03

I'm was a step child (now I'm... a step adult? I still have step parents and step siblings) and I'm always baffled by how step parents are expected to behave on here.

It's just not realistic to expect extended family to treat the step children as 'one of their own'. They are not.

It's also important for siblings to have time together/ do things without the step siblings. But on here that's paramount to child abuse. Bonkers.

And I didn't have 'my own room' at my dad's house. It didn't hurt me. Crazy that people are expected to maintain a room for someone that sleeps in it once a week. I wonder how many of the people suggesting such nonsense have ever been a step child?

RedDogsBeg · 22/01/2018 12:03

I would never ask on MN for advice on anything remotely personal it'd be a complete waste of time.

Some posters want and expect every intimate detail of people's personal lives even though it is entirely irrelevant to the issue in hand. Woe betide any poster who succumbs, gives a detailed personal history and some of those details hit the 'not approved of list', the thread then becomes all about bashing the poster for this 'crime' and not about the issue the poster sought help with.

Other posters just relish the opportunity to post something obnoxious, shocking or mocking.

Lizzie48 · 22/01/2018 12:04

My DSis is a stepmum, she also has 2 bio DCs with her DH and they've additionally adopted a DS, now a lively toddler. So very much a blended family.

My DSis was the main carer of her DSS for a number of years, and she loves him as much as her own DCs. She was always insistent that DH and I treated him the same as all our other nephews and nieces. We did so, because we wouldn't want to leave any kid out. But he was often with his mum when we came to visit so we never bonded all that much with him. He didn't really want us to be his auntie and uncle, so we were just friendly to him, and encouraged our DDs to think of him as another cousin. But he's also a lot older, 20 now with his own DS (he was 9 when my DSis first met his dad.

So you can push it too hard. He has his own extended family so he didn't need more cousins or another aunt and uncle, so we respected that.

My DM is Granny to him, because his younger siblings call him that, and his maternal grandmother is another Granny to the younger siblings.

You need to treat kids equally, but the relationship doesn't have to be the same, it's just not realistic.

TheDailyMailIsADisgustingRag · 22/01/2018 12:05

I think there are a lot of expectations placed on stepparents. Be involved, but don’t interfere / undermine the biological parents. Love them like your own, but woe betide you if you treat them like your own, by disciplining them.

Honestly, you couldn’t pay me enough to do it.

I don’t know any blended families irl, where it doesn’t look extremely hard, from at least one party’s perspective. If it isn’t the resident stepparent who is unhappy, it’s the NRP, for example. That’s just families I know irl. I don’t doubt there are lots of happy, blended families.

I saw your thread too @beverley. You seem like a great stepdad!

MrsMaxwell · 22/01/2018 12:07

Reddogsbeg

Totally agree.

I do not get why posters try to “catch” regular posters out. I name change a lot and
I sometimes slightly change details in my op so as not to out myself but on a thread last night loads of details that hadn’t posted on the actual thread were brought up as “evidence” against me

TheDailyMailIsADisgustingRag · 22/01/2018 12:08

The casualness with which some people appear to create kids and blend families is alien to me.

I’ve also noticed this^^ on threads on here a lot. Posters who just can’t fathom why their dcs or their partners’ dcs don’t immediately slot into the new blended family with zero resentment or difficulties.

FitBitFanClub · 22/01/2018 12:08

So this is essentially a "thread about a thread" then? Thought they weren't allowed?