To question whether we are actually in the midst of a New World Order?

[Falmer]

As above (at the risk of sounding tin foil hat) and if we're not, what the hell is going on in the world, what's causing it?

Yes Kursk that's how I feel, that the world is on a buildup to something.

I know several pilots and have a degree in Aerospace engineering.

The Chemtrail conspiracy (that the white lines visible behind planes are sinister) is utter bollocks. Everyone I know with any knowledge of the area think its bollocks.
A level physics (maybe GCSE too?) explains the mechanism by which Contrails are formed.

I am not refuting that nasty things have, at certain points in history, been released from planes.

But a global conspiracy which would involve huge numbers of both civil and military pilots, engineers, commercial airlines, and the airforces of several nations? No.

(But then if all engineers are in on it I suppose I would say that, wouldn't I?)

So chem trails have been sprayed but they don't count as chem trails because all engineers in the world have to be in on the secret?

there will probably be some kind of socialist revolution in the UK, as the poor will rise up.
Ha Ha Ha Ha
Led by Corbyn (1.5 m house in Islington, never worked a day in his life outside politics )
Seamus Milne (daddy ran the BBC, went to Winchester college)
John McDonnell (never worked a day in his life outside politics)
and millionaires all three of them

YARP
that will work well for the rural poor

Talkin, I need new reading glasses and I thought your post read "you need to target your enemies"

Do you really need to ask this question - the evidence is overwhelming, when men can magically become women and vice versa, good becomes evil and truth becomes "hate speech" you can absolutely guarantee that NWO is happening right before our very eyes and we sit humbly and accept it

Falmer
Glad I made you laugh
but please
do not abdicate your electoral responsibility
and remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

with those two you will be able to get the best outcomes for yourself, your child and your family

conspiracies become internally circular
look outside the loop, test the evidence - it will make you stronger

TalkinPeace

Not saying I think it will be a successful revolution, or that I want it to happen. Just that’s what I think will happen.

"So chem trails have been sprayed but they don't count as chem trails because all engineers in the world have to be in on the secret?"

No, because the term "Chemtrail" refers to a specific brand of conspiracy, which to my understanding goes much further than what you are saying. From the sound of it, our beliefs are not wildly different on this matter; from what you have written you do not sound like a Chemtrail conspiracist to me.

I am not disputing that chemicals have been sprayed out of planes. This is not a secret, let alone a conspiracy.

I am disputing that contrails = chemtrails, as per the theory described here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

kursk
Where do you anticipate the leaders coming from ?

If you're not happy with how the world is today (and who is, really) then do something to change it. Join a political party or a movement that you believe in and for heaven's sake START VOTING. If people don't vote then no wonder we get incompetent governments,

Whatnext, Is it really happening though or is just that things seem bad/ unusual/ fast changing at the moment?

People think there is some world order change in progress because the world has never been smaller. Think of all the mass evacuations/migrations in history- the Jewish exodus from continental Europe during WW2, the Irish famine, the Australian subsidised trips - all these happened pre-rolling news and were just not well known. Now they'd be considered symptomatic of something sinister. Of course relatively small matters get flashed around the world in seconds so that adds to the feeling.

Falmer
Whatever is or is not happening,
hiding under a rock will not change it

Several members of my family marched in the USA today
because being heard and seen has an impact

Chem trails - Areoplanes change the way clouds form, therefore changing the weather. After Eyjafjallajökull (Icelandic volcano) erupted there were no flights in northern and western Europe for about a week, clouds were noticeably different. If we grounded 95% of all air traffic it would probably help climate change. It would be very bad for the economy though.

^ To be clear some of these historic migrations were awful events and of course people were to blame.
I just think we think more globally than we have ever done.

TalkinPeace
I don’t know yet. I suspect that it would regionally based. A number of smaller socialist units, unions and the British communists would eventually unite unite. The leaders would be locally sourced.

I suspect that in the post Brexit recession, high unemployment discontent will grow during a long hot summer. At some point a event will spark a revolution. Something like a week long powercut. That will start unrest which would deteriorate into some kind of revolution. Not a real war because the government has done a very good job of dis arming the public.

But the public aren't armed in this country, are we Kursk? Not like US citizens with their guns.

If people don't vote then no wonder we get incompetent governments, We always get incompetent governments.

I'm not sure about chemtrails, but if it is happening, they'll not be doing out of every plane that takes off. I'm in my mid forties, I can't remember if the sky in the 70's/80's had so many trails covering the sky. Does anyone have a better memory than me?
Regarding brainwashing, the TV does a good job with that. The flicker rate on the screen effects the brain in a detrimental way, besides all the BS that's fed to us through it.

@squishysquirmy - I do believe that chemicals are and have been sprayed for reasons undisclosed to the general public.

The polarity of the Chemtrail Conspiracy is a useful smokescreen in my opinion.

Falmer - please check your direct message facility xx

The hole in the ozone layer is shrinking. We are helping climate change already and we have lots more things we can do, we don't need to ground all air traffic.

Bertie, my dh says the same as you about the chemtrails. That it wouldn't make sense because it would also affect the elite