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To question whether we are actually in the midst of a New World Order?

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Falmer · 21/01/2018 18:58

As above (at the risk of sounding tin foil hat) and if we're not, what the hell is going on in the world, what's causing it?

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Falmer · 27/01/2018 12:56

Witches, I take it that post is for Lewyj seeing as he/she is the one pushing for answers? Vital just simply posted the links. Unless you're shooting the messenger?

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Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 13:08

Thank you Falmer

flatwood · 27/01/2018 13:35

If the message is ridiculous I would blame the person who presents it to me. Like Trump and his Britain First retweets. You give credence to rubbish then you should expect criticism.
Saying "well it's what other people say" is a poor excuse for rehashing crap.

Lweji · 27/01/2018 13:43

Again, why? Why would anyone want to pretend RH was still alive? Dunno, you'll have to ask the people that made the statements.

So, you just take what you're presented with without questioning the evidence or their motives?

Lweji · 27/01/2018 13:44

I didn't decide to start the conspiracy

No, you just spread it.

Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 14:08

then you should expect criticism. ok.

So, you just take what you're presented with without questioning the evidence or their motives? They have stated what their evidence and motives are in the piece I posted. I've not spoken to them personally, no.

No, you just spread it. And. This is a thread about conspiracy theories.

flatwood · 27/01/2018 14:16

At the risk of dictating the subject- thread can be about whatever you want - however the op asks whether it is ok to think there

Lweji · 27/01/2018 14:17

Not going for the click bait.

Why would anyone fake SH. What for?
And keep in mind that it would have to involve his first wife and his children.
Can you explain it?

flatwood · 27/01/2018 14:17

Is something conspiratorial going on.

Obviously the illuminati are trying to stop me posting Grin

flatwood · 27/01/2018 14:19

I know what Britain First's motives are. Doesn't mean it is ok to retweet their bollocks.

Lweji · 27/01/2018 14:20

The thread is about conspiracy theories, but it's different to spread them or debunk them.

And it's a cop out to say that it's the authors problem.
We judge their theory. So, I'm questioning your judgement (not discussing whether whoever is alive or not).

AntArcticFox · 27/01/2018 14:22

I firmly believe each of us has a responsibility not to spread unsubstantiated gossip. Which is what most conspiracy theories are essentially.

And I say that as a confirmed sceptic. I rein it in unless I have some insight I can bring to bear.

Lweji · 27/01/2018 14:25

It's a common trick to post saying that they're neutral, but... While spreading the worst kind of conspiracy theories. It starts with SH and at some point it's Clinton and pizza murders.

Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 14:42

Not going for the click bait. It's just the Deccan Chronicle news paper. Confused

The thread is about conspiracy theories, but it's different to spread them or debunk them. I agree.

And it's a cop out to say that it's the authors problem. ok.

I'm questioning your judgement And what is your judgement of me.

Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 14:44

pizza murders !?

Falmer · 27/01/2018 15:59

Lweji why do you think someone would claim SH is not really alive? And if it were true, what do you think the reason would be, what would be their gain?

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flatwood · 27/01/2018 16:51

If you don't know about Hillary/Democrats and the pizza murders scam you are missing your full set of recent conspiracy bollocks.GrinGrinGrin

Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 16:55

I've heard of Pizzagate pedophile ring not pizza murders though.

flatwood · 27/01/2018 17:16

Op and virology, if you aren't already you should become a prepper like me. At least you'd be doing something useful instead of just chasing after click bait. I prep because conspiracy theory rubbish had wormed its way into the main stream and I no longer trust that there will be good decision making by voters - Trump, Brexit, Le Pen are examples of how stupid and previously obscure notions take powerful form in the public imagination. Nationalism is scary for a mutt like me and nationalists seem particularly vulnerable for falling for conspiracy theory crap.

Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 17:30

Lots of presumptions made there flatwood, although the lines seem to be blurring between the so called paranoid ones.

flatwood · 27/01/2018 17:32

There's a prepper topic on MN. Have fun actually being practical.

Vitalogy · 27/01/2018 17:36

Yes, I've seen it.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 27/01/2018 19:02

The pizza murders was bollocks and the layout of the restaurant concerned showed it could not be true.

Reminds me of my favourite Hillary Clinton story though. A staffer read a story out to her which alleged she had 'Had sex with a colleague'. It's a very common allegation but for some reason this one particularly upset Hillary. She started to weep and ask 'How can the press make up such awful lies about me'. Her staff were perplexed.

Until on further investigation they realised she had misheard the allegations as 'Had sex with a collie'.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 27/01/2018 19:06

It is interesting though, IMO, that a lot of predictions about what the Frankfurt School intended to do are actually happening.

And I do think Common Purpose and Soros' Open Society Foundation are sinister. Not least because the richest man in the world shouldn't be telling politicians what to think. He has a vote in the country he is resident in, he should have no more political power than that unless he is prepared to stand for election.

There was outrage about Murdochs influence in the 80s, but Soros' influence is just accepted meekly.

Lweji · 27/01/2018 19:30

Sorry, my bad, it's the pizzagate paedo ring, although there was a shooting at some point.

Still, my point still stands.

Btw, on flat earth:
www.iflscience.com/space/the-greeks-proved-the-earth-isnt-flat-a-very-long-time-ago-without-any-modern-equipment-heres-how/?utm_source=Editorial&utm_medium=Static&utm_campaign=TH

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