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To question whether we are actually in the midst of a New World Order?

685 replies

Falmer · 21/01/2018 18:58

As above (at the risk of sounding tin foil hat) and if we're not, what the hell is going on in the world, what's causing it?

OP posts:
CrazyExIngenue · 22/01/2018 08:32

Also the world's population is already too large and unsustainable in terms of resources. What will happen in 20 years when AI has taken the jobs of many workers?"

The world's population is large, but birth rates are either stagnant or falling. By 2050 then number of people in the world over the age of 60 will be 2.1 billion and those over 80 will be 434 million. These are over 50% increases in a matter of decades.

By 2030, older persons will outnumber children aged 0-9 years (1.4 billion versus 1.3 billion); by 2050, there will be more people aged 60 years or over than adolescents and youth aged 10-24 years (2.1 billion versus 2.0 billion).

Moreover, those over 60 are living longer, healthier and more productive lives than previously (which also accounts for the rising population in spite of falling birth rates), and many are not retiring at 65 as they did previously, so there is less turnover in employment, which means the younger population is not climbing the wealth ladder as quickly as their parents did.

All of this will right itself after 2050 when the population should start declining steadily to more sustainable numbers, and employment rates increase (even with the creation of AI's, which will actually create industry, rather than take it away).

Is the GenX/Millennial population somewhat fucked due to all these old folks we're going to have to support? Yes, though it should start getting progressively better. Will our kids be in a good position, yes, they should find a better employment market and more money for healthcare.

There will be no massive war (unless Trump can start one in the next few years), there will just be an economic and population leveling out.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 08:34

That is the trend you see in that chart?

The chart shows a £2 billion a year increase in real terms.

saladdays66 · 22/01/2018 08:38

Well, 10 years ago we were shocked to find our kids didn't have the rights we thought they had. One has sen and his legal rights were trampled on.

Sounds like this is what started it all off. Do you think people had any more 'rights' in Victorian times? In the Stone Age? No. Sounds like you need to do all you can to sort your dc's issues and then you will be happier with everything.

Today childen with SEN or physical/mental disabilities have much more help than ever before - they are lucky to be born now.

Then, the increasing displacement and movement of tens of thousands in foreign lands

There has always been mass migration for both push and pull reasons, such as work and war. We just HEAR more about it today because of the media.

increased big brother
Do you mean CCTV? To keep us safe?

needing both parents working just to survive
This has always been the case too. Sounds like you're harking back to some mythical golden age that never existed. The vast majority of peopel have always had to work hard to keep thir families

the secret bilderburg meetings
No idea what this is but sounds like conspiracy theory territory

a lot of fear of the services instead of trust
What do you mean?

Stress everywhere
Caused by what? Life has always been stressful

chemtrails, tap water a bit risky
Now you've lost me. Definite conspiracy theory. How many people do you know who have been killed by tap water? FFS, people die in developing countries all the time because of unsafe, dirty water. We have clean water.

saladdays66 · 22/01/2018 08:42

But the public aren't armed in this country, are we Kursk? Not like US citizens with their guns.

Just as bloody well we're not armed!!! 30,000 people die every year in the USA because of guns.

Don't you think that's more important and shocking than worrying about other bonkers conspiracy theories like 9/11 and Princess Diana's death?

If you want to worry about something real, what about climate change?

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 08:43

a ludicrous, unsubstantiated generalisation

Yes, unsubstantiated in as far as a commission has had to be set up to protect free speech on campus and it's well documented that people who don't conform are subjected to harassment and silencing on campus.

mummmy2017 · 22/01/2018 08:43

Sorry but I agree about the 2 parents working.

Dad worked, mum didn't, they bought a house had kids and we had holidays.

DN , both her and her DP need to work to afford to buy a house.

stickytoffeevodka · 22/01/2018 08:51

Whether both parents need to work or not depends massively on where you live and what you earn.

I live in a cheap as chips area - mortgages and rent are low (£300 for a two bed house with a garden) but we are an anomaly in that we have a big local employer that pays well in comparison.

But so many people refuse to live here because we're rural, fairly isolated and have few public amenities- I love it for precisely those reasons.

If people want to live in cities and have access to 24/7 shops, entertainment and transport, then they need to pay for that.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 08:53

OP, have a Google of George Soros and his 'Open Society' foundations. It's absolutely fucking sinister that left wing thinking which is supposed to represent the working classes has been hijacked by the richest man in the world. Have a look at Labour MPs declaration of interests. They're all attending his workshops and seminars, as are the left in every country from the US downwards.

Elendon · 22/01/2018 08:56

But conspiracies do exist. Watergate being one of them.

makeourfuture · 22/01/2018 08:58

The chart shows a £2 billion a year increase in real terms.

I feel like I have been slapped by my own glove. Chapeau

But look, it would have more impact if you trimmed it down to the last four years.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 08:59

makeourfuture. Can you please explain how it is acceptable for an organisation to receive a real terms increase in funding of £2 billion per year and still not be able to function properly?

makeourfuture · 22/01/2018 09:02

Google of George Soros and his 'Open Society' foundations.

Oh lord. You aren't going to wheel out the black swan next are you?

user1497863568 · 22/01/2018 09:03

"And you dare call me a terrorist,
as you look down your gun,
when I think of all the deeds that you have done.
You have plundered many nations, divided many lands,
You have terrorized their peoples you have ruled with an iron hand,
and you brought this reign of terror to my land.'

OP, many of our communities have been dealing with this for so long. I think we're only hearing lots of bleating about it because now it's starting to negatively affect those who used to benefit from it and they are terrified of the demographic changes.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 09:03

But look, it would have more impact if you trimmed it down to the last four years.

So what you're saying is that the NHS is a great big black hole for money which can't function on massive funding increases but requires bigger and bigger funding increases year on year until our entire GDP is swallowed up by it. Because, of course, things like education and social care don't matter compared to the bloated inefficient sacred cow of the NHS.

AntArcticFox · 22/01/2018 09:04

NLP is a variety of persuasive speaking, it's not magic. Think people who work in sales.

user1497863568 · 22/01/2018 09:05

George Soros and the Open Society is great in many respects IMO. Multiculturalism took the heat off us and felt we could celebrate our own culture/language more freely.

makeourfuture · 22/01/2018 09:07

So what you're saying is that the NHS is a great big black hole for money which can't function on massive funding increases but requires bigger and bigger funding increases year on year until our entire GDP is swallowed up by it.

I think what I said was healthcare ain't cheap.

Elendon · 22/01/2018 09:26

Social healthcare funding is not a conspiracy though. It's quite obvious that the NHS is being run down in order to facilitate a private takeover. The story goes as thus. This government is funding this monolith, out of date public service at an horrendous cost to the tax payer. It's time now for private enterprise to take over.

This has happened before. In broad daylight. Trains being the biggest failure. No conspiracy here, just blatant market capitalism.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 09:38

I think what I said was healthcare ain't cheap.

But lots of other countries provide better healthcare for less money. They have better outcomes and provide more.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 09:50

Oh lord. You aren't going to wheel out the black swan next are you?

It's a matter of public record. Soros says he has 226 'reliable friends' in the EU who will do his bidding.

Loads of Labour MPs including Chuka Umna and Ben Bradshaw have declared in the register of interests that they attend his brainwashing events seminars.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 09:51

the NHS is being run down in order to facilitate a private takeover

If that was true, why would they be increasing funding by £2 billion a year in real terms? That's a lefty myth based on lies.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 09:52

George Soros and the Open Society is great in many respects IMO. Multiculturalism took the heat off us and felt we could celebrate our own culture/language more freely.

You think it's great that left wing policy (which is supposed to represent the poorest and most vulnerable) is directed by the richest man in the world?

Are you a bit thick?

Ifailed · 22/01/2018 09:53

Can you please explain how it is acceptable for an organisation to receive a real terms increase in funding of £2 billion per year and still not be able to function properly?

It's easy, their real-term costs have increased by more than £2 billion. It's pretty basic maths.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 10:00

It's easy, their real-term costs have increased by more than £2 billion. It's pretty basic maths.

And why have other countries not seen their costs increase by the same astronomic amounts? Can you explain that with 2+2 is 4 quick maths?

It's not inflation, because the £2 billion is in real terms so after increases for inflation.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/01/2018 10:01

You understand that 'increasing costs' are already taken into account when something is described as being in 'real terms' don't you? What with you being so good at maths n'all.