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Aibu that I don't give a flying fuck that this woman has to sell her mansion after losing court case?

188 replies

MissionItsPossible · 19/01/2018 16:00

Trying to care, Katie Hopkins, really trying to care....

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/inside-katie-hopkins-five-bedroom-11879232

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BashStreetKid · 20/01/2018 00:06

I must admit I'd hesitate to buy KH's house. I would feel it was tainted by her general vileness.

BigBaboonBum · 20/01/2018 00:31

I doubt she has to sell it because of the court case, she was likely doing it anyway? I don’t know, she’s a waste of space regardless though - cannot stand her

Butterymuffin · 20/01/2018 00:33

Does she actually hold those views though or does she just write them knowing the reaction she’s paid to get?

So it would be OK if she was just a mercenary pretend racist, is that it?

CauliflowerBalti · 20/01/2018 00:47

Jack Monroe is a hero. Katie Hopkins has no moral compass. She won’t stop. And publishers kept giving her a platform for her bile. So for someone to hit her where it hurts and reign her in, show her that actions have consequences - brilliant.

The house is not a mansion. It’s a compact 5 bed. I like it. Wouldn’t take much to make it your own. Carpet in the bathroom though... And the wallpaper in the music room offends me more than the carpet/sofa clash. Still. Lick of paint and new floors... nice house.

I don’t feel sorry in the slightest that she may be losing it to pay court costs. You reap what you sow. And it’s hard for kids but they probably need to learn it too. They don’t have the best role model. Whether she believes what she writes or not - that is no way to earn a living.

IvorHughJarrs · 20/01/2018 01:15

Interesting that some of the opinions on here are every bit as vile and hate-filled as the things KH has said and been pilloried for. Do people really think it is OK to say awful, hateful things while criticising someone else for doing the same thing?

Personally I don't like the things she says but I think a society that does not allow a range of views to be expressed and discussed would be a sad place.

IPityThePontipines · 20/01/2018 01:45

"Interesting that some of the opinions on here are every bit as vile and hate-filled as the things KH has said and been pilloried for."

No they have not. Where on this thread has anyone wished a violent death upon KH in the same manner as she did on refugees (including children)?

So stop making silly false equivalences.

"I think a society that does not allow a range of views to be expressed and discussed would be a sad place."

How does calling for the mass extermination of refugees make society a better place?

Just be honest and say you agree with her views and spare us the free speech nonsense. Public speech has public consequences as KH has learned to great financial cost.

Also

Aibu that I don't give a flying fuck that this woman has to sell her mansion after losing court case?
Reddlion · 20/01/2018 02:24

I feel sympathy for her tbh I dunno the case but either way she lost
people don't understand what just saying sorry to someone can do, there really was no need for all the court stuff

thecatfromjapan · 20/01/2018 02:49

Why no need for a court case, Redlion?

She lied. She refused to apologise or retract the lie.

Prosecuting someone for libel is extremely, prohibitively expensive. As a rule, you have to pay as the case goes on - so even if you win, and costs are awarded against the libellous person, it is still too expensive to actually embark on a legal recourse. That expense deters normal, non-super-rich people from seeking restitution when people with access to a wide dissemination of an untruth use that powerful platform to lie and defame.

As a rule, KH would have had the resources of the Daily Mail behind her, fighting any court case an individual took against her, who would have paid her costs, and then printed a teeny tiny retraction.

This inequality of final outcome (the lie gets a big splash, and wide dissemination, the retraction is barely noticeable, thus the lie tends to pass into people's beliefs) is another thing that puts people off from seeking restitution.

The ultimate outcome is that the powerful, and those who are protected by the powerful, are pretty much able to lie with impunity.

Sadly for KH, she lied on Twitter, not in the Daily Mail. And didn't apologise. And didn't retract. And JM decided to press ahead with that extremely uncomfortable, time-consuming, stressful, expensive business of prosecution.

And so, alas, KH went to trial. And lost. And the costs fell on her.

Legally, she was at fault. I would suggest she was also morally at fault (in not avoiding legal action by apologising).

It's hard to think of any way that this wasn't her fault.

And it's worth emphasising that the financial penalty was one which was objectively set by a court - it wasn't some randomly punitive figure. It was a legal penalty/costs.

juliesaway · 20/01/2018 06:43

People are so precious nowadays.

LizzieSiddal · 20/01/2018 07:58

IPity fantastic post.

Ivor I’d rather not live in a country that feels the need to discuss whether we need a “final solution” for asylum seekers.

I already know the answer to that question and so does every right thinking citizen.

BashStreetKid · 20/01/2018 08:12

I don't like the things she says but I think a society that does not allow a range of views to be expressed and discussed would be a sad place.

How does expressing vociferous dislike for her views amount to refusing to allow them to be expressed? I never understand why people seem to think that the free speech principle equates to having a right to a public platform to express it, or to being unaccountable when you defame people.

Spudlet · 20/01/2018 08:16

She has expressed these views.

And people have discussed these views and, in many (I'd like to say most, but let's not get ahead of ourselves) cases have determined that comparing drowned small children to cockroaches and calling for a 'final solution' are really quite shitty things to say.

She has then falsely accused someone of something really quite heinous (supporting the vandalising of a war memorial), in a very public forum, and has refused on multiple occasions to say 'Oops, sorry, wrong person'.

She chose these actions freely.

Ultimately, there is freedom to live with the consequences.

Clandestino · 20/01/2018 08:19

A bit of positive news to start the day with. That person has no compassion for anyone so why not rejoice about the fact that her nastiness caused a payback eventually.
Btw the colour scheme was designed for a mole, it's unbearable for anyone with functioning eyesight.

Dipitydoda · 20/01/2018 08:24

No it’s not a mansion, it’s basically a big holiday home with a very brave interior design. I always wondeeed who bought the in your face carpets and furniture. Now we know! Just realised how beige my living room is! Wonder if the footstool from the kitchen is up for sale

Clandestino · 20/01/2018 08:26

Interesting that some of the opinions on here are every bit as vile and hate-filled as the things KH has said and been pilloried for. Do people really think it is OK to say awful, hateful things while criticising someone else for doing the same thing?

Being delighted with an outcome of a trial where she eventually lost her case for being hateful, nasty and vile and wishing violent death on innocent people doesn't mean I wish her or her children anything vile or nasty. Is it really awful to say that I'm happy because an awful and vile person was served some very legal and by the book justice?

Unfinishedkitchen · 20/01/2018 08:41

Those saying people who are pleased Katie’s got her just deserts are just as bad as her, must agree with her alt-right racist views on the ‘final solution’.

ProperLavs · 20/01/2018 09:10

No, that's bollocks. My delight at her suffering is relatively private. I don't go round deliberately slagging off and belittling groups and individuals. I don't go round doing talks to audiences to spout off my nasty hate filled views of great swathes of the human population.

tattychicken · 20/01/2018 09:36

It has a lot of random bunting.....and an Open Day today!!!

Hygge · 20/01/2018 09:42

Rafals - "Does she actually hold those views though or does she just write them knowing the reaction she’s paid to get?"

Either way is just as bad.

From what I've read about her, she has a child with autism. Yet she called a nine year old girl with autism a twat and compared her to a pig, body shamed her, and insulted the girl's mum.

She wrote: "X can't complete the autism assessment as she is too busy being a complete t. But the s mum assessment is complete."

The girl apparently went on to be diagnosed with autism and something called Pathological Demand Avoidance.

KH also tweeted about her: "X is completing a story about three little pigs. She identifies strongly with this animal" and then "We are looking at a little girl...sorry I am going to have to stop you there. That girl isn't little."

You would hope that she doesn't hold these views as she's spoken quite honestly about her own child's issues and what they may face in the future, yet a child she doesn't know is fair game.

Nothing seems to be too close to home for her, or too awful for her to say. Except perhaps the word sorry, she really seems to have struggled with that one.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 20/01/2018 12:24

I really should have quoted the sentence I was replying to, shouldn’t I?

I wasn’t suggesting that creating that if she’d created that persona to make money it would make her a decent human being.

IvorHughJarrs · 20/01/2018 13:02

IPity I absolutely disagree with her views but I believe that allowing them to be spoken openly, allows them to be rationally debated and destroyed, educates others and prevent them festering. Suppressing the views, however hideous they are, drives them underground and adds a sense of injustice to the people who believe them
Free speech should apply to all, not just those you agree with

thecatfromjapan · 20/01/2018 13:18

And again:

She hasn't been fined as an act of censorship.

It's not some kind of assault on 'free speech'.

She was taken to court because she lied. Which is libel. She was found guilty. Costs were awarded against her.

It's not a 'free speech' issue. It's not a 'free speech' issue.

She is still 'free' to say whatever hideous thing comes into her head. We are still 'free' to take issue with that/object.

Alas for KH, she's been sacked from her disproportionately large platform.

Far from being a 'free speech' issue, this is actually about how expensive libel trials are. We're seeing an inverse representation of some of the issues that put ordinary people off from taking legal restitution.

I would suggest that, if you are to see this as a 'free speech' issue, it is more interesting to examine in what ways our current 'free speech' is limited by the disproportionately inherent in the representations and dissemination of different forms of speech and different speakers.

Usually, someone like KH can lie and speak hatefully, and is protected by the expensiveness of taking legal action against her speech, and then the paltry representation of amendments to her lies. People who avail themselves of their 'free speech' right to 'debate' and 'argue against' views such as hers are arguing from a platform that is weighted against them, in terms of money, reach, and authority.

It may be 'free speech' but it isn't equal speech.

Alas for Katy, in this instance she fucked up.

Unfinishedkitchen · 20/01/2018 13:21

IvorHighJarsrs you misunderstand free speech. Of course Katie is free to spew whatever she wants as long as it’s within the law. She was found by the court to have committed slander. Slander is unlawful. Notice how she’s not prevented from saying alll the other nasty things she has said? She was actually handsomely rewarded for it, never suppressed. Many people called her out too. That is also free speech. Free speech doesn’t mean you can just keep saying outrageous things and nobody is allowed to say anything back.

StarkintheSouth · 20/01/2018 13:29

Hopkins is an utter troll and is growing more and more hateful, more openly racist because that’s how she gets attention and popularity. It’s pathetic. Well, this is her comeuppance for being so arrogant and Although I pity her children for many reasons, they won’t be on the streets!

NotACleverName · 20/01/2018 13:29

Interesting that some of the opinions on here are every bit as vile and hate-filled as the things KH has said and been pilloried for. Do people really think it is OK to say awful, hateful things while criticising someone else for doing the same thing?

Oh, please. I've read through the thread and I don't see anyone calling for a "Final Solution" to the Hopkins problem.

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