Yes another trans thread

[NewMummy579]

I'm struggling to understand this documentary I'm watching on catch up called sex map of Britain 'the pregnant dad'. Two trans men in a relationship one of which is pregnant. He is having a home birth to avoid pronouns in the hospital and being wrongly identifies as 'she' or 'her' and struggling with body image now he has a pregnant belly.

If you are born female but believe you are in the wrong body and transition to live as a Male, surely it's not being unreasonable to expect that you therefore do not partake in female biological acts like pregnancy and giving birth??

The couple are quoted as saying 'oh one of us had to delay hormone treatment and bite the bullet in getting pregnant if we wanted to have a family'. If you both identify as a male couple then why not adopt as many gay couples do and give a child a good home?

After the baby is born, they refer to 'chest feeding' instead of breast feeding and say it's ridiculous when he needs to be put on the birth certificate as 'mother' since they gave birth, rather than as 2 fathers.

I'm perhaps being unreasonable and openly don't understand all aspects of this complicated gender topic but I'm seeing it a bit like having your cake and eating it - you either either identify/live as one sex or another and not both when it suits circumstance?

Surely one of the fundamentally identifying factors of being female is pregnancy and labour. If you hate being female that much you declare yourself male why on earth would you put yourself through that? If you do then surely you're not trans?

What a ludicrous bunch of attention seekers.

I really do not understand why medics doctors are going along with this it’s experimentation

Once you start the process and that should be after a lot of therapy and appointments you shouldn’t be able to still conceive that choice has to be made and surely if you are in the wrong body having a baby wouldn’t be part of your future plans

Narcissism times a million

Its ridiculous!

I still hold true it is a mental illness!

Your opinion was voiced on another similar thread and I have to say I agree with you.

If they were horribly uncomfortable the whole way through pregnancy and saw it as a means to an end I would sort of understand, mind. I've not seen the programme but often wondered about it when trans men say they will keep the option to get pregnant - same as transwomen who keep penises.

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Do they consider themselves a homosexual couple?

Technically they are as they're both born female.

I would have thought trans people can be gay just the same as non trans people.

Is that the 2 females who were so upset they couldn’t be named as fathers on the birth certificate - even though they haven’t changed anything legally.

Yes...and those very same ones one of which went through a very female maternal process of GIVING BIRTH

Unless of course giving birth is the preserve of people with a womb, be they men or women?

People?
Really?
So my dog isn't a female dog she's a person? The cat is a person? Because they have wombs they're people not females of their species?

Just have a bit of compassion

Ffs

I watched the documentary too.
I was a bit blah about the whole thing.....until the birth certificate thing - so much fuss about not being named the legal fathers to their son, when they are both still legally female.
that poor baby will grow up so confused, a birth certificate with mum 1, mum 2, being made to call them both dad, they both clearly look female and will be called miss/mum by other people - (and corrected no doubt in front of the little boy)
live as they want, but they have brought a little baby into their lives now.....they have a responsibility to keep him safe and well both emotionally and mentally, as well as meeting his basic needs.

(please don't suggest couples like this adopt if they want a family - at this point in their lives its highly unlikely they will pass the medical/psychological assessments....and subsequent home study - with very good reason )

Could not care less about what they want to do as long as they are great parents - no reason why they shouldn't be - but I don't get why you would want to be so public about your personal business, particularly if you're having a home birth to avoid people saying stuff that might be upsetting.

If you both identify as a male couple then why not adopt as many gay couples do and give a child a good home?

Ignoring entirely the whole trans gumph thing, this is a horrible misrepresentation of the adoption process. Adoptive children aren't puppies. Adoption is an amazing, rewarding tough process that isn't for everyone - gay, straight, whatever. It's about finding vulnerable and often traumatised children a safe environment to grow up in and its a huge challenge.

I know a lot of gay couples who don't adopt - which is fine - and instead go for IVF or surrogacy as a result. And others who can't and don't get to be parents.

I used to get quite exercised about this when I was ttc myself, it did seem a bit designer gender - but I’m not bothered about it any more, as long as they are good parents.

Also EnthusiasmDisturbed what you are suggesting trans men are forced to be sterilised? That's a dangerous road. Who decides the next group of people to undergo forced sterilisation?

I have found my people.

One of my friend's ex H is turning into a woman or however you phrase it. "She's " the father of her child, who is monumentally fucked up. The trans person has gone to Korea to have "her" larynx shaved to sound more like a female and is having female hormones to develop breasts. But "she" is not planning any surgery below the waist.

I mean, wtf?! Either you want the sex change or you don't. You shouldn't be able to pick parts at random to cobble together your version of an "ideal" body. The world is going mad.

Who gets to make the choice? And if that choice is taken out of their hands, where does it end and who is arbiter?

There are some crazy fish in the world these days.

You shouldn't be able to pick parts at random to cobble together your version of an "ideal" body. The world is going mad.

How would you enforce this though? Forcing operations on unwilling people?

If someone wants boobs but not to have a risky and dangerous surgery, why's it any skin off your nose?

@Hecky exactly - seems a strange thing when people can have their tongue split, tattoos, gigantic porn star boobs...

I am not suggesting forced sterilization

But if you feel you are a man and you want to become male then why are you having a baby men don’t have babies

I feel doctors are experimenting not so much in this case but where women have started male hormone treatment had surgery and then decided to have a child surely all of that should have thought about long before any process started

This case the transmale still feels male and is going to have hormone replacement surgery but if that feeling is so powerful and feels so right why would you want to be pregnant

Should think men might have a baby if they could (DH says he would!). In this case, well, they can.