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About his attitude to lap dances

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AnotherPlaceAnotherTime · 16/01/2018 11:41

I’m currently having a discussion with my DP about our attitudes to strip clubs and lap dances.

I’m against the whole thing for two reasons. Firstly, I think strip clubs treat women as commodities to be bought and promotes negative attitudes to women. Secondly, I hate the idea of my DP paying for another woman to get naked and dance in his lap. This really upsets me. I know he is always going to find other women attractive but to actually pay for someone to turn him on on a 1-2-1 basis feels disrespectful to me.

He has just said that I’ve got no right to tell him what to do and if he were to go on a stag do where it was expected of him then he would be getting a lap dance.

I feel pretty devastated about this. I know I can’t force him not to do something but I did hope he would take my feelings into account.

AIBU to be upset?

OP posts:
dorislessingscat · 17/01/2018 12:42

He's not a keeper. Be thankful you don't have kids and aren't married.

Honestly, there are better men out there.

g1itterati · 17/01/2018 12:47

OP my son is 14 and he could work this out. Your P is in his 40s!! Imagine being that deluded and pathetic in your 40s!! He is a joke. How can you even engage with this level of crap?

It doesn't matter that there may be the odd woman who does this out of choice.

It doesn't matter if it's a stag

It does say matter who his friends are or say

It doesn't matter that it's not the kind of place that does / does not do extras etc

The whole thing is a load of bollox. Just don't waste the energy.

TheDailyMailIsADisgustingRag · 17/01/2018 12:58

Ugh that last post has confirmed him as a bit of a cunt tbh. Honestly op, I’d run like the wind!

ShiftyLookingBadger · 17/01/2018 13:11

I agree with him in regards to a stag do. It's a bit of a joke (most men would be squirming with cringe and awkwardness!) Equally if you were at a hen do that found its way to a male strip club you'd 'be a sport' and join in rather than sitting in the corner in a huff - because it's a laugh!

HOWEVER if it was a hobby of his, or if he went there on an ordinary nights out and wouldn't stop - that would be the end of that as far as I'm concerned.

PatriarchyPersonified · 17/01/2018 13:13

I've been to a few strip clubs in my life, initially with friends as a younger man, then a couple of times as part of a stag group.

To be honest some people see it as just 'something that you do' on a stag do. Not all though. I didn't go to a strip club on stag night because they aren't really much fun.

Two types of people are regulars in strip clubs in my (admittedly limited) experience.

  1. Sad acts who can't get attention from woman (even obviously fake attention) any other way.
  1. Rich men who enjoy the power of having women dependant on their whim for money.

Most other people who you might run into in a strip club club are a bit like I was. Either young lads going in as a bravado/rite of passage. Or guys on an organised function who wouldn't have normally chosen to be there.

In terms of the girls who work there, again in my experience, they are usually making a pretty good wage and have chosen to be there. Strippers aren't prostitutes (usually) and don't have to let anyone touch them.

This idea that all men who ever go to strip club for any reason are somehow scum is a bit much, I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people on this thread have partners/brothers/fathers who have been in a few strip clubs in their time.

For the OP, I'd say that the deal breaker shouldn't be that its a strip club, it should be the fact that her partner is insisting on going despite her protestations and won't discuss it or take her feelings into account.

If the stag group he is going with were any kinds of real friends, he could excuse himself from that part of the evening quite easily. I know people who have done exactly that.

(I'm going to assume he is quite young, or that it is a young group of guys, as strip club trips are something I wouldn't expect to see on a stag weekend for anyone over the age of about 30.)

Jamiefraserskilt · 17/01/2018 13:13

This guy is more concerned about looking good to his mates than respecting you.
This is setting precident.
Think about that before considering marrying him.
His mates are more important than you.

DadDadDad · 17/01/2018 13:15

I am a man in his forties.

I know I'd feel very uncomfortable "receiving" a lap-dance - embarrassing for me, and I'd just be conscious that this was a person doing for money something that is meant to be intimate. If my friends couldn't accept that they wouldn't be my friends. To be honest, I find it hard to imagine having friends who thought this was an acceptable activity - even on a stag night (to Shifty's point).

And more importantly, I value my relationship with my DW more highly. Even if I did think DW was being "illogical" / "emotional", not able to see that it's "just a sexy dance" (not my view in any case), the knowledge that she would find it upsetting and damaging to her self-esteem that I would enjoy such an activity would be enough to not do it. I want to keep the intimacy in our relationship, not buy it somewhere else. I'm not trying to be sanctimonious, but I thought this was how healthy relationships work.

MadamMinacious · 17/01/2018 14:24

PatriarchyPersonified - great name.

To be honest some people see it as just 'something that you do on a stag do

I guess working there is just something women do for money and far less fun than going on a stag do.

In terms of the girls who work there, again in my experience, they are usually making a pretty good wage and have chosen to be there. Strippers aren't prostitutes (usually) and don't have to let anyone touch them.

I'm so glad you explained that strippers aren't prostitutes I'm not sure anyone on this thread was aware of that before. It makes no difference it is still men using and objectifying women. The women who work there may not tell you this but I happen to know that very few think highly about the men who are customers (regardless of their reasons ) and it often changes their perception of men.

This idea that all men who ever go to strip club for any reason are somehow scum is a bit much, I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people on this thread have partners/brothers/fathers who have been in a few strip clubs in their time.

I'll bet some have (not sure about the 99% but then I'm always dubious of men who come on and tell us that 'all men do this'). From your post only I don't think you are 'scum'. I don't think all men going to these clubs are 'scum' but I do think (as I said above) they are using and objectifying women and are contributing to pervasive negative perception of women throughout society. Again, I don't care much for their reasons for being there and while I might not think they are all scum I'm not afraid to judge them or tell them why I do.

For the OP, I'd say that the deal breaker shouldn't be that its a strip club, it should be the fact that her partner is insisting on going despite her protestations and won't discuss it or take her feelings into account.

While I agree with some of this it is the very fact it is a lap dancing club (not a strip club) that is the deal breaker so it is part of the reason the OP is upset - the fact he dismisses her feelings is just another equally important part. Lets not minimise what the majority of women think of this kind of things and the effects on women in general.

(I'm going to assume he is quite young,

He's in his 40s, the OP has said a couple of times I think. Shitty attitudes towards women and stupid male peer pressure isn't limited to young men apparently.

Please don't think I'm getting at you with this post, I don't think you are patriarchy personified Wink but I do think men minimise what these issues mean to women because they simply cannot know the hurt (and anger) of being part of the population that is most used and abused in the sex industry and how this plays out in real life; in street harassment, sexual assaults from the serious to the 'hand on your arse because they can' type and the way we are spoken to. This shit affects us (women) all.

TimeforCupcakes · 17/01/2018 16:28

For me the most worrying part of your discussion has to be how he twisted your words and literally gaslighted you when you said it would be a dealbreaker. Minutes later he was telling you you said something else. If he gaslights you on this, it doesn't bode well for the future. When else will he gaslight you?

AnotherPlaceAnotherTime · 17/01/2018 16:36

I’ve just spoken to him and told him that I had been speaking to one of my male friends and whilst DP was away he was going to come round and give me a naked lap dance.

He was not at all happy with this idea. Apparently it’s different if a friend does it and also there is no nudity in uk strip clubs (they only strip down to a bikini) Grin Hmm so therefore why did I want a naked lap dance. It is apparently not equivalent to what he would be getting.

Seriously, his hypocrisy is staggering. I’m actually laughing out loud to myself.

OP posts:
TheDailyMailIsADisgustingRag · 17/01/2018 16:37

there is no nudity in uk strip clubs (they only strip down to a bikini)

I don’t think this is true...

AnotherPlaceAnotherTime · 17/01/2018 16:41

I’m certain it is not true. He thinks that I was born yesterday!

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purplerain101 · 17/01/2018 16:42

Of course there’s nudity in UK strip clubs! They get completely naked in some, and topless with a thong on in others

PatriarchyPersonified · 17/01/2018 17:24

OP

Strip club or no strip club. Your partner sounds like an absolute prick.

Wineandrosesagain · 17/01/2018 17:37

What an absolute arse he is. How can you not dump him immediately?

Falmer · 17/01/2018 17:45

He's in his forties so to the lap dancers, he'll be a dirty old man! Eeeew, OP you can do much better than this. Incidentally, my dh has just asked how dp would feel if a female was giving you a lap dance? No idea why he's asked that, men are strange sometimes! Confused Seriously though, your dp is uncaring,not even getting you a xmas present, either. Sorry you are being upset by this disrespectful, uncaring partner.Flowers There's plenty more fish in the sea (cliché, but true)

GrooovyLass · 17/01/2018 17:48

My friend would wear stockings and a bra and thong. The bra would come off at the start of the dance and then right at the end she'd take her thong off and bend over. They get naked.

g1itterati · 17/01/2018 17:54

The whole point is, it doesn't matter whether the stripper gets naked or not. Who cares?
Have you not dumped him yet?

AnotherPlaceAnotherTime · 17/01/2018 17:56

I want to discuss things face to face with him on Friday when he gets back.

He may just have been acting out like a small child because he thought I was telling him what to do.

If he maintains his position he will be dumped yes.

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derangedmermaid · 17/01/2018 17:59

I had a huge issue with this with my ex, I never actually reversed it until one day I found out they would be getting private dances at another stag do and I said
"Oh it's cool, don't worry about it, I've got plans anyway so I'd rather you were out"

Obviously intrigued he asked what plans and I told him that I was going to pop on Tinder and find a guy to pay to take me on a date and then if it went well I'd be bringing him back to the house for a shag... Because my cunt of a boyfriend was off paying some woman to get naked in front of him.

Did not go down well 😂😂😂 And he didn't go.

We split up anyway. He was a wanky person.

icenasliceplease · 17/01/2018 18:08

He went on a stag do a few weeks ago but said they didn’t go to any strip clubs .

I'm always shocked at how quick women are to believe this
'My husband said we went to a strip club, but I didn't have a private dance Hmm
My husband said we didn't visit any strip clubs Hmm

Just because they've said it doesn't make it true!
They know that if they all stick to the same script, we will never find out the truth.
As long as they tell us it didn't happen, we it didn't happen and we will be idiots and believe them.

(they all make a 'what happens in X stays in x' ) pact.

Sallystyle · 17/01/2018 18:16

Deal breaker for me.

I would not be ok with my neighbour dancing naked around him, exchanging money doesn't make it any better. I think it makes it worse.

For us it is cheating. Any man who wants to go to a strip club would be shown the door, I would think he is seedy and my respect for him would die. No interest in pathetic men.

The thing is OP, he has told you he would go and even if he now tells you he will stay away from them, the chances are he won't. I am sure he will lie to you and hope he doesn't get caught. After everything he has said I wouldn't trust him to not have a lap dance if the opportunity presented itself.

So you have to decide if this is a deal breaker for you, because you aren't going to change how he feels about them.

Fitbitironic · 17/01/2018 21:37

I'll never understand why we are supposed to accept it is better to PAY for a woman to writhe half naked in front of attached men when it clearly wouldn't be acceptable if it just happened in a nightclub - it would be cheating. The cognitive dissonance can only be a result of brain washing by the images we see around us and what the media and men tell us. It's ridiculous when you think about it like that.

Couldn't have put it better myself madam.
In fact, I'm wondering about the parallel with this and sexual activities /porn in general. If Janice down the road sent dp a full frontal and he asked for more, it def would be cheating, yet how is this different to looking for stuff online?
The fact that op's dp is going to do what he likes regardless, says everything you need to know about how much respect he has for op and women in general really.

tallwivglasses · 17/01/2018 21:58

Aw, it's 'wrong' if it's a friend who's naked is it? Tell him that as you respect him you've taken his comments on board, and so as not to hurt his feelings, your friend will send his body-building mate round instead who'll perform for you in an itsybitsy posing pouch. Surely he'll have no objection to that...

FizzyGreenWater · 17/01/2018 22:09

Why don't you decide to dump him anyway, because it's not as if having a life partner who 'acts out like a small child' is much better, is it?

He's low quality.

You can do better and have a happier life as a result. What's not to like?

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