AIBU This is so heart breaking! **Thread contains article about Poppi Worthington - title edited by MNHQ**

[Meadowflowers]

How can this man be getting away with this. What a beautiful baby and her life is now over because of that monster!.
I've been in tears this morning reading it. In fact I couldn't finish reading it. What is the system coming to???

@RoseWhiteTips

The mother must have known what the monstrous father was doing. I absolutely refuse to believe that these women - whose children are abused so horribly - do not know. They do know.

You have no idea what the mother did or didn't know and it is perfectly possible for her not to have known. You are being incredibly unfair to all the mothers whose children have been abused and didn't know, many of whom live with appalling guilt.

RoseWhiteTips: try reading the thread. The mother had a baby taken into care when she was a teenager. Subsequently social services were happy for her to continue looking after five children. There is no suggestion that the baby was taken into care due to abuse by her mother.

There is no evidence of any other abuse by the father, and I'm sure the other children would have been checked.

By other abuse, I mean abuse of children in this family.

A teenage mother who has a baby taken from her for protection, of one form or another, is not blameless.

I have read the thread a as a matter of fact.

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So what is she to blame for? Apart from having a child young and at that time being unable to cope? (If that was the case)

being a shit mother, presumably

The "father" is scum. His sister was on the news the other day, she doesn't believe he did it. Woman's in denial.

yep i saw the sister on the news saying how she would know if he had done it,my jaw hit the flaw with what she was coming out

i find it hard to believe the mother didnt know anything

would there not be marks or bruising on the little one,would you not bring it up etc,im guessing the babe was not taken to the doctor

and on the unpleasant topic if he had been sexually abusing poppy especially where the blood was found would the mother not be concerned while changing a nappy/baths etc.im sure to god there would be signs that something wasnt right etc

i think she knew or at very least was suspicious but ignored

Basically:
1985 Mum born to mother who herself was in care, father is career criminal
2000 Mum subject of CSE aged 15, she was having sex with her mum's lodgers (male + female).
Mum gets pregnant by male lodger, runs away with them, is put in care. Gives birth
2002 Mum arrested by police drunk in charge of 14 month old child, child taken from her care
2003 Mum gives birth again, but care hearing says she can keep the child.
Mum has 2 more children
Mum has fifth child, first with Paul Worthington
Mum has Poppi & her twin with Paul Worthington
Poppi dies after being sexually abused by Paul Worthington

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I’ve got a fair bit of compassion for a teen mum with her history being in the situation she was in,
I’ve got a lot more for one who within a very short period of time had managed to make the changes required in order to retain child 2 and a lot more for one who then goes several years with that amount of kids with no concerns being raised,

If she met somebody decent things could have been so different for her. It’s devastating that she ever met that evil bastard. I feel sorry for the surviving twin and now he’ll have to grow up knowing his dad caused his sister’s death.

Queen I’m getting confused by your posts re the mother- the SCR detailed her neglecting the children and SS involvement was primarily around her leaving them In the care of unsuitable people and continuing to do so after SS told her not to. I do understand what you’re getting at- that she didn’t rape and kill her baby - but I don’t think anyone is saying she did

No, nobody is saying that she raped her baby. But, as rose has helpfully demonstrated, a lot of people are casting around to find some way she is at fault, with the feeling that "she must of [sic] done something". And they're attributing to her things which are not true (such as that she had four children taken into care) but that people feel SHOULD have been true.

Would I leave my kids with her? No. Did she make mistakes as a mother? Undoubtedly. What's the point of picking over them now, when they had nothing to do with Poppi's death? Paul Worthington was never a focus of Social Services interest or a source of concern to them. I find it distasteful, misogynistic and a little cruel for people to be so determined to find a way she is at fault. If anything, as a woman coming out of the care system, born to a woman who came out of the care system, she succeeded as a mother in the face of having huge disadvantages from birth.

If Paul Worthington is guilty, whoever else SS were concerned about her leaving her kids with is irrelevant. If it's relevant, Paul Worthington quite possibly isn't guilty. You can't have it both ways.

Who said “must of done”? It wasn’t me.
(As if)

Pity she ever had children.

The same goes for the monster.

I've just been on my News app and the CPS are looking in to possible charges in response to the Coroner's findings. Personally I'd have thought it merited gross negligence manslaughter at the very least??

I've just been on my News app and the CPS are looking in to possible charges in response to the Coroner's findings. Personally I'd have thought it merited gross negligence manslaughter at the very least??

I really doubt it. The evidence just isn't there, and nothing new has emerged. I imagine this is a political move to cover their backs against popular pressure - they can announce that they've fully re-examined the evidence and it's inadequate for charges. I don't really want the CPS to start fitting people up on the basis of popular pressure, anyway.

There was a question mark placed over both parents once Poppi's prior leg fractures were discovered post mortem as neither her Mother or Father had sought medical help for the injury before the night she died.

The Father is solely responsible for Poppi's death but it's not true to say there wasn't any evidence of previous abuse and some neglect from the Mother.

agreee,that was what i was trying to say up thread about the mothers part

There was nothing that anybody reported prior to the baby being killed.

It is unfair to say huge history of neglect.

Oh well, if it’s not a huge history of neglect, then that’s fine then.