To find the virtue- signalling at the Golden Globes vacuous and annoying?

[Lucydogz]

For a start, surely Oprah Winfrey, apparently the 'most powerful woman in Hollywood', must have fully known about the sexual harassment that was happening. As would all of them. I can see why more recent stars wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat by speaking out, but why all the self congratulation on the part of established figures, who could easily have spoken out long before now? It was all like 'hey, check us out, we're so brave'. No you're not, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

I agree, lucy, all jumping on the bandwagon to look good, but most of them don't really care, and I'm sure some of them are where they are now because they kept quiet and "played the game". Most ppl only care when it directly affects them, eg, their earning capacity.

Two things disturbed me.

One is that not one of the women who came forward to tell the world what Weinstein had done, when he had harmed their careers, were invited. Not McGowan, not Sciorra, not Arquette, not Sorvino. The only ones asked were A listers, who were there anyway.

The other is that CAA are an agency repeatedly namechecked by women as having sent them to Weinstein's hotel room, alone. Sometimes pressuring them to attend. And yet they are the agency hosting and managing the Time's Up campaign.

I am really uncomfortable with the way all the focus is on women: what they wore, who knew, who said what, who should have said the other. And I don't think it's fair to single out Oprah Winfrey; she had the awful family from that Quiverfull TV reality show flown in to make a special about them a few years ago, and they were anonymously contacted to be told there were allegations the eldest son sexually abused his sisters. Winfrey immediately pulled the show - and at the time, they were hugely famous and ratings-winning, and all over the magazines - and reported them to the police at once. She didn't publicise any of this, she didn't make any benefit from it at all. She did everything absolutely and 100% right. This only came out when a Freedom of Information request meant the police reports were released. She did the right thing at cost to her own show, after spending a fair whack making an episode never broadcast. Why blame her for the abuses in Hollywood? Why blame any of these women? None of them were doing anything wrong, and none of them had any power against the sort of people doing these things - the Weinsteins, the Spaceys, and the Singers. Yet they are the ones being attacked, now?

It always comes down to blaming women for male behaviour. That's a large part of why this stuff happens.

The whole wearing a black dress thing made me completely cringe. Me too @formerbabe. It just seems so self-publicising and pointless. It's that thing all over again of the people who shout the loudest getting listened to.

If the director went publicly on the record to say 'none of us got paid for the reshoot' I'd imagine he must have been confident that Williams thought that was the case. And that Wahl erg would nod and smile and keep shtum.

Wahlberg had no better information than Williams when he demanded to be paid for the re-shoot - did he?

It's not the director's job to convince Williams that she should be paid for the re-shoot, it's his job to keep the budget in line.

On the one hand you could say that Williams is a ethical person who didn't want to hold the film to ransom over the unfortunate circumstances it found itself in; on the other you could say she's not terribly shrewd (surely the hallmark of most uber-wealthy people).

The Producer not the Director would be the person who deals with the budget Museum.

perfectstorm The men who wore Timesup badges have been pointed out for their hypocrisy several times on this thread.
Several males stars, James Franco, Gary Oldman ( who we will see a lot of in the awards season) have been name checked too for their previous behaviour. Am sure it doesn't need pointing out that their careers have not been harmed by any adverse publicity.
Shocking that Rose McGowan and other victims weren't there but it was an awards ceremony and unless they were connected with any of the films on the list then I don't see why they should be there. Though one of the other high profile women could have invited them as their guest...
OW pulled a show becauase one of the participants was accused of sexual abuse. If she had let it go ahead she would have looked very bad and the back lash probably not worth it. She is a buisness woman first and foremost and is very successful because she is careful about the risks she takes.
I am not blaming women but I believe the only change can come from women and that means taking proper action. Action that might impact yourself because no one else is doing it for you
Perhaps we have lost the art of protesting. WHere are our Jane Fondas and Lynn Redgraves? Apart from Rose McGowan speaking up, where are the other voices and faces stepping out from behind a black dress to piss the high ups off? I can't think of one at the moment.

The Producer not the Director would be the person who deals with the budget Museum.

Sure, I was speaking generically. It's still not the director's job to offer actors more money where they're not demanding it, their interests are tied to the artistic/commercial/financial success of the film.

YANBU awful smug hypocritical twats.
Can't stand them and their virtue signalling.

I've worked in theatre producing. You'd be surprised how much of a say a director can have in the producing side of things. If they're established and have a certain amount of clout that is.

Theatre is a completely different animal to film and TV though Bimbler
In my experience the culture is very different.

I thought OW was incredibly (and unbelievably) presumptive claiming that no woman will ever have to say #MeToo.

As if...

They dropped the ball having Kirk Douglas on (Michael Douglas has recently had 32 year old allegations made against him)
I think fuscia pink reminiscent of the Trump protests or purple would have been better than black personally but it was interesting that all women bar three followed the code (probably very wrong of me to almost admire the three who didn't, one said Sod it, I think I should be able to wear what I like, it was men not me behaving badly, another said culturally red was a celebratory colour).
As to the awards themselves, Seth did a decent enough monologue. It would have been interesting to see how far Ricky Gervais would have gone with it. I don't like him but he was fearless in taking down slebs when hosting.
I also think they should have had three front rows of the 90+ complainants there, if they really did want to make a statement, that would have been the way to do it.

Oh and the Kirk Douglas rumours circulated for years.
Justin Timberlake threw Janet Jackson under the bus at the time but that was no wardrobe malfunction (they planned it between themselves and had already been told in dress rehearsal no clothes to be ripped off thanks very much)
Very few A-listers came forward to publically condemn Pervy Wankstain until it was deemed safe enough to do so/until both articles were printed. That's why it would have been good to have seen the 90 women who did speak out but were neither invited nor consulted about Times Up.

and Aziz Ansari is now officially Worst. Date. Ever.
Add to that James Franco's dubious behaviour and the Oscar noms on the 23rd will make for interesting reading. Especially if Casey Affleck is still meant to be presenting.

What has Aziz Ansari done?

I'm just annoyed about that fucking Tonya Harding film which apparently exonerates her. Just like the actresses in black it's all smoke and mirrors.

What has Aziz Ansari done?

babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

Caitlin Flanagan's response

www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/

I read both articles. It's why I labelled him a bloody awful date rather than alleging assault. But I read the account and the phone messages and his own comment and many under the line comments and I still found myself shuddering because if someone who claims to be a feminist, who claims to be self- aware, who has written a book about dating, thinks a too-much-porn-watching move like putting his fingers down a woman's throat is okay, then God help us. There were also parts of Master of none scripts that came across as entitled/women portrayed as one-note. A shame because when scripts were good, they were excellent.

Ouch. I'm not sure what I think after reading that.

Have read the 2 articles and from what I have gleaned from them both, there is a grey area here.
Assault or bad date?
I don't think it is either. The event is somewhere between the two. I have had to work my way out from under pushy men who don't seem to get the point AND I have been by a man I knew and with whom I had had consensual sex previously.
The first situation ended at a point when I very firmly said NO and walked away before there was an escalation that went past my feelings being heard.
The second one was being held down, penetrated against my will, despite my objections.
That has been my experience but there are areas between the two that are worth examining. My reading of the woman's experience was a sense of loss of control. Who ought to be setting the pace?
He does come across as entitled but she sounds confused. She wanted an encounter but not at the level he wanted but how was she communicating that to him coherently?
His hand down her throat if just awful and, personally, if that had occured to me, I would not have continued in any shape or form. Sounds horrible and he did it twice. She left upset but I do really think she had realised he was not going to behave and ought to have left sooner.
There is blame on both sides here.

*raped by a man I had had consensual sex with previously

The black dresses annoyed me a bit but tbh I think blaming people who MUST have known (we don’t know who knew what & then if it’s rumour as opposed to direct testimony then what do you do?) is taking attention away from you know, the rapist. I’ve been around powerful & predatory people. You hear rumours but are powerless to do anything and that’s really unpleasant.