To find the virtue- signalling at the Golden Globes vacuous and annoying?

[Lucydogz]

For a start, surely Oprah Winfrey, apparently the 'most powerful woman in Hollywood', must have fully known about the sexual harassment that was happening. As would all of them. I can see why more recent stars wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat by speaking out, but why all the self congratulation on the part of established figures, who could easily have spoken out long before now? It was all like 'hey, check us out, we're so brave'. No you're not, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

All actresses knew but they didn’t give a shit or start speaking up until the media uproar.

I just read the article posted above, which is about as clear as mud.

It seems Marky Mark was paid 100x more than Michelle Williams for the re-shoot because she offered to do it for free.

This can hardly be considered sexist.

Is there some other thread to this story that I'm missing? Something related to the first shoot?

As Ridley was clearly (falsely) claiming in interviews that they had all waived their fee I'm sure this was what she was being told by the producers too. She wasn't given the full facts.

That is precisely the case Bimbler but clearly such a nuanced and thoughtful take on the situation is completely lost on some posters.

As shirt said, it's about twatness not the gender of the actor and actress.

Hollywood has a long and inglorious history of over paying their male stars. This is just more of the same.

None of us know whether Michelle Williams knew that Mark Wahlberg had not agreed to waive his fee or not. That's just speculation to make a point. Her fee for the actual film wasn't 1/1000th of his.

Of course there is a pay disparity in Hollywood, as in many industries, but this specific example isn't very clear cut.

Despite the criticism, I stand by saying 'virtue signalling', as this appeared to be vt at it's purest - a crowd of people, who had known about the problem for a long time, deciding to wear black outfits and lecture us all on the subject. and that includes all the male actors who came on board. And no, I'm not a DM reader (real MN bingo stuff)
To whoever implied that Saint Oprah shouldn't be criticised, because she was the object of abuse, shouldn't have that made her be a whistle blower on this a long time ago, instead of kissing Harvey W's ass? She would have had nothing to lose.

If the director went publicly on the record to say 'none of us got paid for the reshoot' I'd imagine he must have been confident that Williams thought that was the case. And that Wahl erg would nod and smile and keep shtum.

Oprah didn’t rape anyone - Weinstein did

Some people just like to unvirtuously signal the fact that in their minds the women will always be the ones to shoulder the blame.

She did t start off where she is now. Not even where most of Hollywood started.

And no! I don't think she is a saint or anywhere near it. I just saw your post as one of which is to blame women rather than look at the real problem. The only women you can't blame in Hollywood are the new ones coming into acting if I was to comment on your post based on the blame game.

Fact: we do t know the reason's why they didn't come forward. All of them will have their own reasons. Some being part of the problem too. Seeing that we both can't know. In this case the men are the problem for the groping, raping, sexual harassment and stalling careers of women and some other men. Keep the blame where it belongs and you will get somewhere.

Oprah didn’t rape anyone - Weinstein did

But then that's basically saying that if another Weinstein starts up the whole industry has carte blanche to look away and pretend nothing is happening again.

Some people just like to unvirtuously signal the fact that in their minds the women will always be the ones to shoulder the blame.

It's not just bloody Oprah though. It's an entire (mainly male dominated business).

Although, incidentally, Oprah does appear to be the only one throwing her hat into the ring for the presidency from that industry. If a man had done the same he would be subject to the same level of scrutiny.

Do you expect her to be able to go into office, nuke North Korea and start WW3 then say 'You're just blaming this on me because I'm a woman'!

Yes, OW didn't rape anyone, but she was evidently very happy to be friends with a rapist. This isn't blaming her because she's a woman. It's questioning her moral judgement, and her fitness to give speeches on it.

But then that's basically saying that if another Weinstein starts up the whole industry has carte blanche to look away and pretend nothing is happening again. I thought that the whole point was for it to not happen again, time will tell.

That was the whole reason why lots of other people where included in the speech. Young girls and women around the world being sexually exploited. From being in their own homes, to being immigrants (both legal and not) in sex slavery, to being sexually harassed in offices, schools, gyms. You name it.

Is it not? the point was not just HW. The problem is those who think women are sexual objects. These men are everywhere. Fact:!

Her fitness to give speeches on her own experience should count.
If not, then every female in Hollywood is not fit to talk about it. Simply because they all know what that industry is like.

So it was OK for OW to talk about everything about sexually predators, except her friendship with Harvey. If that's not a weird stance to take, I don't know what is.

Does anyone think that anything is actually going to change for women in any industry after this?

Maybe I'm just a pessimist but I don't see any real motivation from the powers that be to change.

The fact is that this is still a mans world and it suits the men very well to have it just as it is.

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Frankly, a more powerful message would have been no attendance. Take away the glamour, the eye-candy, the hypocritical hugs and kisses. A pretty statue will be pretty in black as much as in any other colour, and will still sell movies for the benefits of the rich old men they are supposed to be denouncing.

Lucydogz OW is going to have to explain that one away in the fullness of time.
As I said earlier. Taking the glitz off the whole side show of GG and Oscars and all the rest would be an interesting adventure would it not.
If female stars simply refused to join in with the dressing up, the sparkle, tinsel and make believe, it might be encourage all us ordinary folk to think about reality and not to be taken in by the smoke and mirrors.
And at the end of the day WE are consumers. We go to the cinema and pay money to watch victims of abuse. Bottome line

There is a message We can send.
Don't go to the cinema. Keep your pound in your pocket, buy a book, fund a women's program.
Just a thought

you're right lola

Who's with me then?
Turn off netflix