To find the virtue- signalling at the Golden Globes vacuous and annoying?

[Lucydogz]

For a start, surely Oprah Winfrey, apparently the 'most powerful woman in Hollywood', must have fully known about the sexual harassment that was happening. As would all of them. I can see why more recent stars wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat by speaking out, but why all the self congratulation on the part of established figures, who could easily have spoken out long before now? It was all like 'hey, check us out, we're so brave'. No you're not, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

“Raising awareness”

How many of those women have contracts that would make them attend the show?

Justin Timberlake allegedly assaulted Janet Jackson on stage when he ripped off her clothes to reveal her naked breast a few years ago. Funny how no one mentions that now he wears a Time’s up badge. It's more complicated than that. He did not assault her. the problem is more race/misogynior related than sexual assault in regards to the treatment between Janet and Justin and career progression.

That's because he's a better actor than she is actress, has had a far bigger career and can demand higher pay. I was an extra in Band of Brothers and only got $75. Sexism?

Are you having a laugh!? Mark Wahlberg a better actor than Michelle Williams? She could act him off the screen any dat of the week.Granted he may be higher up the pecking level but her $1000 to his $1,500,000? so yeah, most definitely sexism!

Not sure what the relevance of you once having been an extra has to do with the price of fish but hey ho!

By wearing black, perhaps they were expressing grief for the sistahood at the hands etc of the evil Hollywood males?

Or perhaps they wanted lots of lovely attention?

If, in the past, they had declined offers of work which had strings attached, then perhaps the apparent stance being taken now would have more credibility.

The truest form of protest is withdrawing labour, like a general strike. So if these stars, in whom a lot of money is invested, decided unanimously to strike for better pay and conditions, like other workers do, then they would really look radical. As their protest amounted to putting on a black dress rather than simply refusing to engage in the awards ceremony, which is fixed anyway, then I would've been cheering from the gallery.

Or. Could you imagine if they all turned up in trackkie bottoms and wrinkly t shirts?
Now that would really put two fingers up at all the bullshit that goes on in Hollywood.
Yes. Trained seals. Diet and exercise till you body conforms. Inject your butt, your face, your whatever. THen go out there and look like you are loving it..

Celeb women rarely wear plain black to red carpet events because it photographs so poorly. Black with sequins maybe, or lace.

Wearing black to that kind of event (as most men do) can make the statement "sod the photos, value my work". The women who went in black trouser suits did that best.

A few days ago I started a thread about what women have to wear to be credible during sexual harassment/discrimination/assault proceedings. It's all part of the same conversation.

Bimbler

I was pointing out how I was paid so much less than David Schwimmer ie. sexism.

"Mark Wahlberg a better actor than Michelle Williams?"

You're right. She was brilliant as Joey, or Pasey or whatever she was in Dawson's Creek.

You are joking swingingsixties?

A five year old could see that Michelle Williams is an infinitely better actor than Mark Wahlberg.

The term virtue signalling is just ridiculous and serves no purpose than to try and shame people who speak out.
It's quite clear the OP and other posters would criticise no matter what these women do.
Speak up? They're virtue signalling.
Stay silent? They're complicit.

They aren't speaking out. They're not doing anything of note.

I was pointing out how I was paid so much less than David Schwimmer ie. sexism.

Oh dear.

You were a mere extra. So again, not seeing the relevance of comparing what you were paid to what a lead actor was paid. Wahlberg and Williams were co-leads, so the disparity in their pay is pretty outrageous. Hope this makes things a bit clearer for you.

Also, Williams has had four Oscar nominations so your jibes about Dawson's Creek are a tad out of date.

They aren't speaking out. They're not doing anything of note.

They are actors not politicians or activists. Their job is not to speak out or do anything “of note” as such.

But by supporting those who have spoken out, isn’t that better than doing nothing at all?

Every gesture however tiny, however insignificant, all adds up to a collective force.

It's quite clear the OP and other posters would criticise no matter what these women do.
Speak up? They're virtue signalling.
Stay silent? They're complicit.

Agreed

Its not so much the claiming to speak up as the cynicism and hypocrisy of the worst, most seedy industry displayed via a back slapping, self congratulatory works do which is what the GG is. Sadly, the display is mostly spin. The purpose of these multi millionaires grandstanding was to take the heat off the billion dollar businesses, not to empower the weak and downtrodden penniless abused women in some backwater somewhere.

I think it would have been great if the women all turned up in jeans and T short - refused to play the industry game. A glamorous black dress is a pretty mainstream choice and seems to encapsulate perfectly the 'papering over the cracks' approach being taken - condemn some men, exonerate others for entirely random reasons. Beautiful women not dressed like performing puppets would have been great to see.

It would have made more impact if all women had just empty chaired the whole event.

They are actors not politicians or activists. Their job is not to speak out or do anything “of note” as such.

Right. So don't get involved. But if you ARE going to some something, and you're going to put yourself out there as "doing something", then do something properly. Don't just wear a dress.

It annoys me because if these people that are back slapping each other now had spoken up 10-15 years ago the amount of others abused in that time period would be much lower......

We'll have to disagree about their relative acting prowess.

He was the highest paid actor of the year; you're comparing apples and oranges.

Williams said "I said I'd be wherever they needed me [for the reshoot], whenever they needed me. And they could have my salary, they could have my holiday, whatever they wanted. Because I appreciated so much that they were making this massive effort."

Using this as an example of sexism and issues in Hollywood isn't doing you any good.

If anyone thinks OW isn't jumping on this particular bandwagon to get her political career of the ground, it's time
to wise up folks.

Speak up? They're virtue signalling.
Stay silent? They're complicit.

They did stay silent & thus arecomplicit.

They're all quite happy to come out now as part of the herd & now that their careers are safe (and possibly even boosted by it now).

So forgive me if I feel a little less than impressed with their "heroic actions"...

You talk absolute crap Swingingsixties. It isn't apples and oranges. Michelle Williams has 4 Oscar nominations. Mark Wahlberg has two. Theoretically that makes her twice as good as him. Yet he's paid millions and she is paid $80.

I dont blame the actresses at all. I blame the men in suits who organised the thing and chose to honor so many men without honor. Who continue to support and promote paedophiles and rapists in the movie industry. I blame the hypocritical men who wore Time's up pins knowing that thry are the problem and knowing that they will continue to get away with it as they are protected by those same men in suits. The whole thing stinks.

Using this as an example of sexism and issues in Hollywood isn't doing you any good.

Doing me any good?

Williams was paid $1000 and Wahlberg was paid $1,500,000. Anyone who says this was totally cool and
not at all due to the sexist nature of the industry is an imbecile quite frankly.