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To find the virtue- signalling at the Golden Globes vacuous and annoying?

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Lucydogz · 10/01/2018 09:17

For a start, surely Oprah Winfrey, apparently the 'most powerful woman in Hollywood', must have fully known about the sexual harassment that was happening. As would all of them. I can see why more recent stars wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat by speaking out, but why all the self congratulation on the part of established figures, who could easily have spoken out long before now? It was all like 'hey, check us out, we're so brave'. No you're not, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

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PavlovianLunge · 10/01/2018 11:51

Virtue signalling is a cynical, spiteful little expression.

People - men and women alike - should have spoken out sooner, but isn’t a delayed reaction, a delayed stand better than no stand at all?

What are all these people who cry ‘virtue signalling’ doing to improve the lives of others? For crying out loud, let’s use our voices and actions to change things, not just carp at others.

quencher · 10/01/2018 11:52

But they weren't the people at the Golden Globes. The people at the Golden Globes are the most powerful people in the industry. Exactly the sort of people who might have had the power to prevent this sort of thing if they'd taken a stand. But apart from one or two of them nobody did. You mean the very women who went through sexual abuse. Saying thank goodness we can talk about it now without being a joke, behind closed doors or embarrassment. Those women!

Let’s not forget too that it was the New York Times that got the ball rolling with exposing Weinstein to the public. Let's not forget that the new York Times covered up previous allegations because they didn't want to report about him. It only changed because it has anew team. That New York Times!

DearShirt · 10/01/2018 11:52

I’d prefer to live in a world where the herd followed the right message than the wrong one.

See, I don't think there was any meaningful message which came out of the GG. Nothing.

Bimbler · 10/01/2018 11:53

Because carping is what they're into. Ironically they virtue signal their love of carping by whining about 'virtue signalling'

They're bores.

DearShirt · 10/01/2018 11:54

let’s use our voices and actions to change things, not just carp at others

How is wearing a black dress "changing things"?

In fact, wearing a black dress and then booing Seth Whatshisname for making an anti HW joke? How is that changing things?

Quote from the NYT article:

"Host Seth Meyers, in his opening monologue, was the only person in the room to mention him by name.

“Harvey Weinstein can’t be here tonight because, well, I’ve heard rumors that he’s crazy and difficult to work with,” Meyers said. “But don’t worry — he’ll be back in 20 years when he becomes the first person ever booed during the ‘In Memoriam’ segment.”

And how did these brave, crusading, black-garbed, pin-wearing celebrities respond? They booed."

Amanduh · 10/01/2018 11:54

100% agree. The virtue signalling is sickening when it comes to awarding themselves or making a big show of it. They haven’t apent other years standing up to anything, only now it suits the media agenda.

PavlovianLunge · 10/01/2018 11:56

It’s part of a bigger picture, that’s how. A picture of people talking, sharing, challenging and taking action.

lolaflores · 10/01/2018 11:57

These women live in little clouds where they micro manage their image. Can you imagine them all ringing each other up saying lets wear black. Would have been more of an impact if they hadn't turned up for a kick off?
Hows that for really taking a stand. Putting themselves at real risk. Putting on a frock and smiling like a trained seal, effecting the pose that you have proper control over what you say or do is so insignificant as to be pathetic

Royalfuckup · 10/01/2018 11:58

Let's not forget that the new York Times covered up previous allegations because they didn't want to report about him. It only changed because it has anew team.

That was exactly my point quencher

The new press office at the NYT changed their previous stance at huge risk given that 1/3 of advertising revenue was actually coming from Weinstein Production.

GlitterUnicornsAndAllThatJazz · 10/01/2018 11:58

Yanbu - it was an insult to womanity. Hated all the proud, brimming eyes during her speech.

DearShirt · 10/01/2018 12:00

Pavlovian The bigger picture I see is one of a billion dollar industry whose movers and shakers would actually dearly like all the fuss to fuck off so they can go back to making a lot of money.

In order to do that you need to pull the wool over the public's eyes with a couple of well publicised stunts which actually require nothing more arduous than wearing a designer dress and going to an awards ceremony.

juliesaway · 10/01/2018 12:01

The PR release had been duly faxed to all newsrooms “the golden globes tonight sends out a powerful message”. Repeat across the twittersphere and other media outlets and hope some suckers lap it up and actually believe this was something spontaneous rather than a well orchestrated industry arse covering job. When you are watching these people on these shows, they are at work, often with their employers sat next to them - it’s their job. As is all the PR fluff around them. It’s all about the money.

numbereightyone · 10/01/2018 12:04

lolaflores You talk about 'these women' in a vile way. It's disgusting that you describe them as 'trained seals.' And why you do think they shouldn't turn up the awards ceremony? They have every right to be there. A lot of them have worked incredibly hard to earn the right to be there Hmm

LemonysSnicket · 10/01/2018 12:04

I found the idea of ‘if you see someone you know who is abusive and are too scared to say anything, gather some people and form a circle around them’ ... that’s far more obvious than saying something, and if I were another person being asked to join a group I’d question if it were true or a vendetta/slanderous and untrue.

That and the black dresses felt very dystopian and Handmaideny to me ...

RoseWhiteTips · 10/01/2018 12:06

They are a bunch of hypocrites. They all knew and some of them must have made the decision to benefit from the “system”.

quencher · 10/01/2018 12:09

Repeat across the twittersphere and other media outlets and hope some suckers lap it up and actually believe this was something spontaneous it was not spontaneous, we know and get that. Do you think they all had new black dresses ready. This was being circulated for a while.

Seriously, stop making fetch happen!

The problem people have on this thread is women. Whether they did it for their own good or not. I would rather they virtue signal and helped one woman somewhere than not all.

I am still waiting for Uma Thurman to get herself together.

MissionItsPossible · 10/01/2018 12:10

I don't understand why Rose McGowan is calling them hypocrites for staying silent when she herself had been paid off to keep quiet (which she did, until now) too.

quencher · 10/01/2018 12:11

They have every right to be there. A lot of them have worked incredibly hard to earn the right to be there thank you! Why should they give up that space to the very men who abused them and tried to block their path?

swingingSixties · 10/01/2018 12:11

@Shadow666

"alleged"
"alleged"
"accused"
"apparently"

Do you understand why I can't dislike these men in the same way you do?

@Bimbler

That's because he's a better actor than she is actress, has had a far bigger career and can demand higher pay. I was an extra in Band of Brothers and only got $75. Sexism?

Shadow666 · 10/01/2018 12:15

Harvey Weinstein is also alleged though.

Woody Allen is also alleged

Kevin Spacey is also alleged

None of these men have been charged with actual crimes, yet they are being shunned (except Woody Allen). Yet other men also alleged to have committed sexual assaults or physical assaults are applauded onstage while wearing their Time’s up badges.

20nil · 10/01/2018 12:17

Yeah, let’s blame women for sexual assault and rape in Hollywood! Some of the back dress wearers might be hypocrites, but they’re NOT the problem. Raping men are.

DearShirt · 10/01/2018 12:18

By not going the women would have sent the message that they weren't going to play ball any more.

Far more powerful.

Maybe one woman holds no individual power but if they all got together and said no more it would have an effect.

Wearing a black dress doesn't send that message. It sends the message of "I'm still here, still looking good, wearing the dress and doing what is required. Oh and down with sexism"

juliesaway · 10/01/2018 12:20

Justin Timberlake allegedly assaulted Janet Jackson on stage when he ripped off her clothes to reveal her naked breast a few years ago. Funny how no one mentions that now he wears a Time’s up badge.

DearShirt · 10/01/2018 12:20

Agreed 20nil. Men who rape are the problem. How does wearing a black dress address that problem?

What were these people asking for by wearing black? Anything?

Bimbler · 10/01/2018 12:23

Justin Timberlake allegedly assaulted Janet Jackson on stage when he ripped off her clothes to reveal her naked breast a few years ago. Funny how no one mentions that now he wears a Time’s up badge.

I did just that on this thread.