To find the virtue- signalling at the Golden Globes vacuous and annoying?

[Lucydogz]

For a start, surely Oprah Winfrey, apparently the 'most powerful woman in Hollywood', must have fully known about the sexual harassment that was happening. As would all of them. I can see why more recent stars wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat by speaking out, but why all the self congratulation on the part of established figures, who could easily have spoken out long before now? It was all like 'hey, check us out, we're so brave'. No you're not, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

It seems like it's still the women to blame on this thread.

The whole industry conspired with him to destroy careers. And that's largely men.

But if they were concerned with that surely they would have taken a stand before it was revealed rather than after? Only doing it when it's public gives the impression of doing it for appearances sake rather than sincerely.

Elton

You are severely underestimating the thousands of years of social conditioning that women have been subjected to.

Yes, in an ideal world, it would have been possible to speak up and fight the misogyny and patriarchal structure that has been the norm since the dawn of civilisation.

But in reality, it is not so simple.

Women have been in a double bind which is going to take years to untie.

And we are finally in the dawn of that.

But, as this thread is showing, women are still damned if they speak out and damned if they don’t.

The thing is people are sniffing that there’s some hypocrisy and bandwagon jumping (even in a good cause) here by Hollywood, as it’s good for making money (or avoiding losing money if you’re seen to be on the right side of a particular issue. We all abhor sexual abuse and it’s great that victims can have the confidence to speak out. There are jarring contradictions, though, in awards ceremonies like this when the powerful set big themselves up as all being the righteous and celebrating the abused and downtrodden, when until just about last week they played along with the toxic game and turned massed blind eyes to really really poor, noxious behaviour because the money was backing the other side. I can’t imagine working in an industry where people constantly and routinely overstep sexual boundaries in the workplace - I’m actually fairly sure that most workplaces aren’t like this - Hollywood clearly has been- though i know there are predators everywhere. It’s a global issue, but much of the “virtue signalling” is Hollywood’s guilt at allowing itself to be a filthy low rent nest of scumsters for decades in the pursuit of wealth, which they have all have bought into seedy and unprofessional practices. They’re belatedly trying to clean up their act, and projecting to make out everyone else is as bad as they are - and that they care so much now......it’s nauseating - comparing Oprah Winfrey to Rose West isn’t too far off TBH in some respects.

Yes some celebs are going to jump on the Time's Up bandwagon because they want to be seen to be attached to the right causes and yes there will be some hypocrisy (e.g Justin Timberlake wearing a Time's Up badge but apparently is just about to start shooting with Woody Allen) but overall no, I don't find the 'virtue signalling' at the Golden Globes vacuous and annoying because it does appear that a change is happening in Hollywood. And that change has to start somewhere.

This morning I read that Michelle Williams earned $1000 compared to Mark Wahlberg's $1.5m for re-shoooting some scenes in a film they were in together. That kind of telling information would not have emerged a few months ago.

comparing Oprah Winfrey to Rose West isn’t too far off TBH in some respects.

MORONIC thing to say. Utterly moronic.

And how very bloody tiresome that it's the female celebs who are bearing the brunt of the blame for not speaking out about male predators. Maybe think about turning some of that blame on the actual abusers.

Fuck.

Elton You have no idea of the way Hollywood works despite wanting to appear as if you speak with authority.
Weinstein had incredible levels of power. He didn't need conspirators. One word from him was enough. An actress didn't get a job because he made a single phone call and said she was 'difficult'. The truth was that she had spurned his advances. Such was his power, he was believed and her career took a huge setback.

'virtue signalling' is the new 'political correctness gone mad': the clarion call of the Daily Mail reader.

Yes
Agree that again criticism is being disproportionately thrown at women, sadly by women.

Pahahaha. That's rubbish. There were celebrities who took stands against him. Quentin Tarantino for example cast people he had blacklist.

He isn't the only person in Hollywood with power. Angelina Jolie managed a career and an Oscar while refusing to deal with him.

Do you honestly think someone like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg couldn't have defied him if they wanted to? There are other studios, financiers and distributors. But even their rivals would go along with it because it's a mutual old boys system.

The other studios/distributors/financiers might not have people blacklisted for sexual reasons. But an actress who makes a fuss because she's paid less than a lower profile male actor for less work? Someone who lets slip an unflattering story about a bigger star? They would mutually blacklist people. They wouldn't care why, they just know they're the ones with the power.

An actress didn't get a job because he made a single phone call and said she was 'difficult'. The truth was that she had spurned his advances. Such was his power, he was believed and her career took a huge setback.

Unfortunately it was even worse than that.

One word from HW, such was his power that even though everyone knew about the “Weinstein tax” (as it was commonly known as), fear of being blacklisted themselves, people chose to throw the actress under the bus instead.

Such was his power, he was believed and her career took a huge setback.

He wasn't believed. He was obeyed. People knew what he was doing, they were making bloody jokes about it at the Oscars FFS!

Interesting article about the evening here: nypost.com/2018/01/08/the-post-weinstein-golden-globes-was-an-exercise-in-hypocrisy/

Seth Meyers was booed for telling a joke about HW and some of the female celebrities brought along female activists, e.g., Laura Dern with someone from the National Farmworker Women’s Alliance (!).

There is also a picture of kirk douglas with a woman (idk who) in a black dress slashed to her waist with her boobs on show cluching his hand. Just because you are wearing a black dress to signal support of women doesn't mean you can't be sexy but there is something about that picture that looks off to me.

We are not talking about Quentin Tarantino, James Cameron or Steven Spielberg or any other powerful men. We are talking about the women who were at 'starlet' level who were completely powerless. Those women are the ones you are slating on here Elton for reasons that I really cannot understand.

Yes, that's true Royalfuckup. Absolutely horrible.

Ah... It is catherine zeta jones with kirk douglas. That makes more sense now, as she is his daughter-in-law.

Would you prefer them to say nothing now? it would be good if they said they were sorry they didn't support vulnerable young women when they knew what was going on. It would have been alot more useful than deciding to wear a black dress.

Yeah they all knew it and Meryl Streep even made a joke about it. Sleazy industry full of greedy narcissists pervs and people with personality disorders. The only people who could survive in it.

No. I pointed out that being a victim of sexual abuse does not mean that you will help others who are victims. Fact: I didn't say she was helping. I have stated she has spoken about her experience for years. Being friends with HW does not stop her from experiencing sexual abuse from others. Nor, does it erase the past. Maybe, she was referring to others she was not friends with. How do we know. Her talking about sexual abuse is not a recent thing. I doubt she has mentioned it lately but she sure does know the experience, because she said so. Not me stating it as fact.

So hypocritical, speech from Oprah when she’s Weinsteins mate. So was Quintin Tarantino.

But if they were concerned with that surely they would have taken a stand before it was revealed rather than after? I wonder why people didn't join her years ago when she was talking about her experience. You tell me!

We are not talking about Quentin Tarantino, James Cameron or Steven Spielberg or any other powerful men. We are talking about the women who were at 'starlet' level who were completely powerless

Er, no I'm not. Not at all. Post one quote where I have. I feel very sorry for the victims and attach no blame to them.

But they weren't the people at the Golden Globes. The people at the Golden Globes are the most powerful people in the industry. Exactly the sort of people who might have had the power to prevent this sort of thing if they'd taken a stand. But apart from one or two of them nobody did.

They could have refused to deal with him, found another distributor for their films or gone with other studios. But they didn't because they sided with him and power, success and money over what is morally right.

Let’s not forget too that it was the New York Times that got the ball rolling with exposing Weinstein to the public.

It is no coincidence that it took a press office the size and might of the NYT to take on Weinstein at massive risk (since a third of their advertising revenue actually came from Weubstein’s production company).

What the hell are you talking about Elton?? Peter Jackson didn't 'obey Harvey Weinstein. Weinstein told him the actress in question was difficult to work with and he took that at face value. Jackson had the decency to admit that and knows, with hindsight, he was lied to.

Virtue signalling = making a naff and pointless "statement" requiring zero effort and thinking that you are contributing to a solution for a problem

i.e. wearing an expensive black dress and thinking that is "action".

It's bullshit.

And it's the men AND women at the GG doing it. The men are less conspicuous as they usually wear black anyway.

There is also a herd mentality - even if an actress thought it was hypocritical virtue signalling, you are forced to join in because the media will rip you apart if you wear fuchsia.

They could have refused to deal with him, found another distributor for their films or gone with other studios. But they didn't because they sided with him and power, success and money over what is morally right.

Quite. These are the industry players here - not the starting out actresses with no voice. They are all to blame because they ARE the industry that is so rotten to the core.

There is also a herd mentality - even if an actress thought it was hypocritical virtue signalling, you are forced to join in because the media will rip you apart if you wear fuchsia

Yes, true. But there’ll always be sheeple wherever you go and in the grand scheme of things, I’d prefer to live in a world where the herd followed the right message than the wrong one.

There was a shot of Meryl Streep nodding sagely at Oprah's speech which made me wince. She once called Weinstein, God which ahd been widely reported and the presumption was that Streep knew exactly what was going on. She has taken a lot of crap for it.
. Now, just perhaps the shot was edited in a cynical way by the producers to give make Streep look like a great big hypocrite.
Doesn't matter because whoever knew what and what goes on up there way above us in Hollywood is the kind of information us lesser beings are not going to be privy to. Ever.

The whole Golden Globes thing was just a huge arse covering excercise to deflect from own rotten house and hopefully draw a line and head off further lawsuits. I’m amazed more people can’t see beyond the pretty dresses and warm words to the thick stench of PR in overdrive.