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AIBU?

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Original poster

CBB India

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Boyslikepinkgirlslikeblue · 05/01/2018 22:21

As a biological female I have experienced:
A c section
Pre eclampsia (nearly died)
Single motherhood, currently 90% of all single parents are female, the 10% of men are considered progressive and put on pedestals
Sexual assault, a few times and one horrific incident
I have HPV and have had a lot of smears, and 3 lots of my cervix chopped off, all "pre cancerous cells" have another one next month wish me luck
I've been a victim of domestic violence (strangled me until I was unconscious and broke three of my toes) he was charged with criminal damage, like that's unusual? I'm 32
I have had a period every single month since I was 11 years old

My Aibu is this. Am I being fucking unreasonable to think that India willoughby from CBB is taking this piss out of what being a biological female means, because she somehow in her brain thinks she is an actual woman? How? I don't wake up I the morning and think "ooh I feel so womanly, I need lipstick a dress and eye liner"
I wake up and get on with life, regardless if I have a period or not, because that's who I am, not because who I believe I am.
I understand people who can't cope with gender stereotypes, but reducing being a woman to looking pretty and clothing boils my blood

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Backingvocals · 05/01/2018 22:58

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Putyourdamnshoeson · 05/01/2018 22:58

Well, people consider it Transphobic to say that you don't believe that men can become women because, feelings. I say live as you wish, present as you wish. Don't expect access to women's spaces and don't expect others to validate you by lying about how they see you. That doesn't mean don't be kind. But you shouldn't have to compromise on reality to be kind.

Gileswithachainsaw · 05/01/2018 22:58

Yanbu.

I haven't been watching but I've seen plenty of clips of him.enough to see her nothing more than a characiture and with full male privilege and presence

nancy75 · 05/01/2018 22:59

India has kept hold of the male privilege & male aggression, obviously putting on a frock doesn’t cure those traits

Putyourdamnshoeson · 05/01/2018 22:59

backing Yes!

GinSoddenWhore · 05/01/2018 23:02

Agreed Backing. In fact I'd class it as gaslighting.

etap · 05/01/2018 23:02

0 Days since MN Hated on Transwomen

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 05/01/2018 23:04

You could see the women recoiling when India was screaming and lecturing. It's all a bit 'ok, don't hurt us, we will be good"

Even her body language is aggressive, reminds me of the Trump debate when he stands over Hillary.

SlowlyShrinking · 05/01/2018 23:04

India would be happier and more pleasant to be around if they didn’t expect the rest of the world to believe he’s a woman.

nancy75 · 05/01/2018 23:06

etap this particular trans woman is behaving in an aggressive way towards an 82 year old woman who made a mistake with the words he/she. Just because India is trans should bad behaviour be ignored & overlooked? That sounds like yet another example of men can do what they want & women should just put up with it ( even if the man in question is now a trans woman)

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Boyslikepinkgirlslikeblue · 05/01/2018 23:08

etab

It's not hating trans woman at all. It's recognising that natural born women's experiences are being sidelined for gender stereotypes. Nobody fits in a blue or pink box, as we all have unique personalities. As for biological sex, that is reality

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Rebeccaslicker · 05/01/2018 23:08

To quote Bridget jones... "he's just a big nobhead with no nob"!

OvertheSargassoSea · 05/01/2018 23:12

I just read the title thread as "cbeebbies" thought wtf! Confused

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Boyslikepinkgirlslikeblue · 05/01/2018 23:17

CBeebies? To be honest, give it a year the way things are going wouldn't suprise me "hi kids, let's talk about gender, boys like cars, girls like dolls"

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Mooncuplanding · 05/01/2018 23:18

It was an interesting experiment in how women are socialised to default to men.

Of course non of them took IW seriously as a real woman. IW has no clue what it is to be a woman.

Fake breasts and a bad hair do, do not make a woman.

I live in hope that we all wake from this cognitive dissonance very soon because more than anything I believe that anyone who sees what went on in that episode would see that Amanda was not being a bigot, she was just speaking the truth

GirlInterruptedOftenByKids · 05/01/2018 23:20

The funny thing is that India hates drag queens...sees them as a pale imitation of a woman. With no irony at all.

There's apparently a drag queen going in as one of the men...

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 05/01/2018 23:22

I really don't like her. She's got a huge chip on her shoulder. Well no scratch that a bag or Maris Pipers..
Amanda made an accidental slip of the tongue apologised and was told. "It's not enough". What more does she want, and Amanda kept on apologising. I'd have just said. I apologised once love, I'm not going to crawl up your arse.

Screepy · 05/01/2018 23:26

I can't wait to see India's reaction when one of the men misgenders her... think she will square up to a bloke? Hmm

quencher · 06/01/2018 00:09

She just seems a massive attention seeker to me. Sat blow drying her hair topless is something j would never do in a room full of friends I just wouldn't feel the need. or is it because men are brought up not to be ashamed of their breasts? This carries on into when they transition. They don't have the same shame women have with being topless.

yorkshireyummymummy · 06/01/2018 00:13

Screepy
Oh gosh, I didn’t think of that.....I have a feeling it might make good tv!

nancy75
I think that’s a brilliant point, I hadn’t thought of it like that but it’s very true.

Putyourdamnshoeson
Another super comment. I would have liked to write what you did but 8 was worried i would be called transist or whatever it is. Why is it that we HAVE to accept that IW is a woman even if we don’t believe it? I would be very uncomfortable sharing public loos/ ladies changing rooms with trans gender. But it’s almost shameful to admit that nowadays. Why is it? Why are my feelings as a woman born and living as a woman considered less important than a trans persons?

I’m also amazed to see that the majority of comments agree with the OP and each other. It’s like an underground feeling amongst women that we are not allowed to voice in public. Is this just more suppression of females by males- just in disguise?

GetOutOfMYGarden · 06/01/2018 00:15

Isn't it amazing that Courtney Act said 'I wasn't socialised as a woman so I won't pretend to understand the real issues that women face', yet India insists she's the peak of womanhood and more woman than actual women?

Eltonjohnssyrup · 06/01/2018 00:20

I know Courtney is drag rather than trans, but Miranda Yardley is the same and it's like 'Yes, you get it'.

DidIDoTheWrongThing · 06/01/2018 03:55

India is proof that male privilege is a deeply rooted psychological belief no matter how much it is denied.

A transgender woman arguing that they understand what a woman truly is more than anyone else is utterly absurd.

If ever there was a masterclass of narcissism, IW is giving it.

DidIDoTheWrongThing · 06/01/2018 04:04

“I am a real woman. Let me say it again so that it penetrates. I am a real woman”

Interesting choice of word “penetrate” by India when she was shouting at Amanda.

DidIDoTheWrongThing · 06/01/2018 04:06

Actually, the proper quote was:

“I am a real woman. I'll say that one more time so it penetrates: I am a real woman!"

Even worse I think. Intimidating use of language.

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