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Women Baring their beasts at a fire engine......

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Hannah4banana · 03/01/2018 15:51

I was nightshift on New Years Eve into new year's day in the city centre tre. I couldn't believe it when a group of drunk ladies decided to flash at the guys in the fire engine I was in. I actually had to lock the cab door as they were trying to climb in when we were stopped at traffic lights.
Why the hell would anyone think that's acceptable in an emergency vehicle.
I was mortified for them!

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MrsTerryPratchett · 03/01/2018 21:45

It's a double standard that men's chests are fine to be seen in Tescos Envy and women's chests are 'offensive'.

I don't agree with women sexually harassing men either BTW but I have to see moobs all the fucking time and I'm not even a firefighter.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/01/2018 21:55

Everybody should be enjoined from showing their bare chests, anywhere in public... unless the floor comprises of sand.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/01/2018 22:01

but I have to see moobs all the fucking time and I'm not even a firefighter.

The moobs you see walking round Tescos is not even the same scenario as baring your chest to members of the opposite sex and trying to climb half naked into their vehicle unasked, is it?
Sexually and physically aggressive behaviour can come from both sexes.
The women flashing their chests at them -it's nothing to do with showing their sexuality and the fact "WAHEY, lasses, let's get our tits out for the firemen!"
What they're really doing going by some of the logic in this thread is that it's just another body part and they might as well be showing them an elbow or something.
Alrighty, then. Hmm

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/01/2018 22:08

Funny that you missed out the first half of my sentence, Dreamy.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/01/2018 22:11

Funny that you missed out the first half of my sentence, Dreamy.

Because it seems like a contradiction so not really relevant.
"I'm not OK with women sexually harrassing men but I have to see moobs all the fucking time in Tesco."
What's that got to do with the price of bread?
I could say it's funny that you nitpick over which bits I highlighted but not the actual point I'm making.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/01/2018 22:13

OK. I think sexually harassing men is bad. I also think that women's breasts being 'sexual' and therefore 'offensive' is bad.

I could say it's funny that you nitpick over which bits I highlighted but not the actual point I'm making.

Ditto.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/01/2018 22:16

I also think that women's breasts being 'sexual' and therefore 'offensive' is bad

It's only sexually offensive if you go getting them out and waving them in people's faces when they haven't asked you to.(Which I'd say trying to climb into a vehicle and no doubt squishing yourself up against the glass in the process) is.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/01/2018 22:20

Do you REALLY not understand the point I'm making? Really?

That breasts are considered sexual (because straight men find them attractive) but men's chests aren't (because only straight women and gay men, who don't matter) find them attractive.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/01/2018 22:25

Not ALL breasts, not ALL chests are attractive regardless of sexual orientation and two issues are being conflated when they're not comparable, ie. not ok for women sexually harassing men AND having to see moobs in Tescos. They're unrelated.

Or am I missing the point?

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/01/2018 22:29

I'm out. People don't understand words.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/01/2018 22:34

I'm out. People don't understand words.

Yes,they do.They just don't agree with you.

Slarti · 03/01/2018 22:40

MrsTP why are you making this about moobs in tesco? It's truly bizarre.

TheGoldenBowl · 03/01/2018 22:44

It's not that bizarre, is it, since part of the issue hinges on whether women's breasts are inherently sexual/offensive. She's making the point that we take for granted that men's chests are fine.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/01/2018 22:44

That breasts are considered sexual (because straight men find them attractive) but men's chests aren't (because only straight women and gay men, who don't matter) find them attractive.

So by your own admission, breasts are considered sexual (whether you like this fact or not.)
So then,why is it OK to get them out when drunk and use them in a sexual gesture when they weren't wanted or asked for?

TheGoldenBowl · 03/01/2018 22:48

I imagine, Dreamy , she's suggesting that, while that is the accepted 'rule' , we should be able to challenge these sexist norms.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/01/2018 22:52

Well I don't want to see anybody's chests/breasts in public, whatever sex they are or whatever age they are. Some men and some women go silly over seeing chests/breasts - Coke advert? Lynx advert? Womens' breasts aren't overtly shown in this country but they're still treated in the same predatory and ogling way as men's chests are.

The 'moobs in Tesco' is probably more of an indictment in the general decline in dress standards and that seems to be universal.

I'd find BOTH offensive in the supermarket or in public. I concede though that some men do walk about without tops on in the Summer and don't seem to care. I don't like it but accept that it's not the same for women who are not free to do this.

MrMeSeeks · 03/01/2018 23:29

hat breasts are considered sexual (because straight men find them attractive) but men's chests aren't (because only straight women and gay men, who don't matter) find them attractive.
Do you only straight men find them attractive then?

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/01/2018 23:59

I imagine, Dreamy , she's suggesting that, while that is the accepted 'rule' , we should be able to challenge these sexist norms.

Nothing wrong with challenging something you perceive to be a sexist norm.
You really think that's what's going through some pissed up women on a night out's head though when they decide to get their tits out for the lads and flash the passing fire engine?
Yeah, course it is, it's all part of equality and a master plan to challenge the sexist norms.Or much more likely not, and they're just pissed and using their breasts as a sexual flash piece. Coupled with the fact they're trying to clamber into the cab, says the latter really.

pisacake · 04/01/2018 00:25

A man like this has a large chest, which many people will find sexually appealing:

His nipples and breasts are pronounced.

He can uncover them on Youtube, Facebook, in public, whereever.

A woman with smaller, less prominent breasts + nipples, is not allowed to do this.

This is obviously sexist.

TheGoldenBowl · 04/01/2018 07:34

No Dreamy I'm not saying the pissed up women are trying to challenge sexist stereotypes. I'm saying that in our analysis of behaviour we should try to see things for what they are; we should challenge sexist assumptions rather than swallowing them wholesale.

Slarti · 04/01/2018 07:59

Really Golden, because it reads very similarly to the sort of "what about the menz" type posts you get on other threads where men are the offenders and someone tries to derail the thread and make it about something else.

Lethaldrizzle · 04/01/2018 08:03

It wouldn't bother me in the least and in no way is it comparable to flashing penises which has happened to me

DreamyMcDreamy · 04/01/2018 08:16

It wouldn't bother me in the least and in no way is it comparable to flashing penises which has happened to me

"It wouldn't bother me in the slightest and anyway it's not as bad as this other thing so why aren't you OK with it?"

OMG, it gets better. How can you not see that what you're coming out with is exactly the same shit as men sexually harassing come out with?!

TheGoldenBowl · 04/01/2018 08:21

What?? Slarti please explain because I have no idea what you're talking about.

I was responding directly to your query about challenging sexist norms: a pp was arguing that breasts shouldn't necessarily be sexual/offensive; you said "yeah, well, they are so deal with it"; I said "well perhaps we should challenge that assumption"; you seemed to think I was saying the drunk women were actively challenging the assumption. I said "no, WE should challenge the assumption here and now". And now you're calling "what about the menz" type scenarios?? Wtf?

TheGoldenBowl · 04/01/2018 08:26

Sorry it was Dreamy who said "yeah well they are so deal with it" - not you Slarti

The chain of events is the same though...

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