Women Baring their beasts at a fire engine......

[Hannah4banana]

I was nightshift on New Years Eve into new year's day in the city centre tre. I couldn't believe it when a group of drunk ladies decided to flash at the guys in the fire engine I was in. I actually had to lock the cab door as they were trying to climb in when we were stopped at traffic lights.
Why the hell would anyone think that's acceptable in an emergency vehicle.
I was mortified for them!

If it was men, they would be jailed with the key thrown away. But women think they can only be victims not perpetrators.

Women or men, the level of bad behaviour when drunk in this country is awful.

I have to agree with some of your points. As the op, Ive worked bloody hard to be respected for my ability in a very male dominated job and not just because I have a pair of boob's. When i started in the Job there was even less women than now and I really dont believe it will ever be 50/50. We had it tough and probably verging on bullying and discrimination from the inside. I came out the other end I'm not going to accept this behaviour from other women as being ok. I'm glad the guys were uncomfortable, whether it was because I was there or not. It shows what progress has been made. Unfortunately it always seems to go back to sex!

If it was men what? Bearing their chests? You think they'd be in prison starzig ? Try again.

If we didn't have this in-built agenda to try to trip up women all the time, there wouldn't need to be any comparison with men on this thread; it would be enough to state that, in and of itself, the women's behaviour was poor. It was ridiculous behaviour, totally inappropriate and also irresponsible. The end.

The comparing started because some posters didn’t think the women’s behaviour was poor or constituted sexual harassment, which it did and was. Noth8 g to do with wanting to trip up women.

I wonder if this kind of drunken behaviour happens in Paris, Rome, Athens or Seville,,or is it a peculiarly British disease? People have been sold the lifestyle that alcohol makes your life better in so many ways.

Many people cannot do without it though they don't realise it.

Maybe its just that the UK is an incredibly dull,grey and boring country for so many and so they anaesthetise themselves with toxic alcohol.

For the slightly confused:
seeing a boob or penis in passing - not harassment
Boobs or penis being waved in your face (without paying for it) - harassment

Some people simply live for threads like this so they can chide women and somehow 'prove' that women have these terrible double standards. Pathetic.

The very simple solution to that is to not have double standards. If either men or women defend harassment then they deserve to be called out on it, and if anyone is waiting to trip them up and criticise them for it then more fool them for going ahead and defending it. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for these apologists?

Jaygee61

That's not quite what happened... One poster said breasts weren't a huge deal (matter of opinion) and then we had an instant flurry of penis comparisons. First page.

Why can't we just judge the women, and perhaps discuss how we view breasts in different circumstances? Seems more relevant than "Oh, but what about the penises of this world?"

starzig Oops - gave yourself away there with the 'without paying for it' comment!

The very simple solution to that is not to have double standards

Ha! Now there's an idea!

Have you perhaps noticed that, umm, we're already living in Double Standard Land?

What's your point? Double standards are ok OK?

No slarti I very much don't think double standards are ok. That's sort of the problem.

I'm also a bit that you think, just because I can identify toxic, sexist undercurrents, I should also have the 'solution' to sexual harrassment.

My issue with this thread (and others like it) is that it attracts the sort of clown who stumbles in at page 5 and announces that some stupid drunk women with their tits out compromises women's huge fight against systemic, baked-in sexism, such as came to light with the Weinstein allegations. The very use of the phrase 'double standards' when discussing women's behaviour in the way some posters have makes me ill.

If we must have comparison - fine: if some drunk men mooned at a fire crew that would be inappropriate and irresponsible. Bit like the women showing their tits, I suppose.

But neither of those situations has anything to do with the Weinstein scandal and what it represents.

YY Slarti. No double standards anywhere. No confusion then.

Well, that's solved then Lying

Phew! Objectification of women is over

A gang of adults - of either sex - can be very intimidating and that is something that they have to own. It's not ok to encroach on other people's personal space, try to get into their vehicles, etc. and alcohol isn't an excuse for that.

I'm not going to do the reverse 'what if it was a gang of men trying to get into the vehicle' (regardless of the flashing), because it's not an ok thing for anybody to do and why does that need saying?

Cross-posted with you but I wish that were true, Golden but nothing's ever that simple.

Everybody has to take responsibility for what they do and how they behave around other people. Apart from anything else, climbing on a vehicle that's about to move off is a really stupid and dangerous thing to do.

Well, in that case Lying I agree whole-heartedly with you. In fact, I think you'll find that my first post was specifically about the fact that we don't need the comparisons. The behaviour should be judged on its own.

(Crossed again)

I won't keep posting (because I really don't want anyone to think I'm 'condoning' the women's behaviour) - but I do want to clarify my point about these tiresome comparisons.

If a man behaves badly enough to warrant censure, we don't generally go "Oooh, imagine if a woman did that".

Why? I'd hazard a guess that it's because as a society we think we punish men severely enough. We're not actively seeking a lens through which to be harsher on them.

On the other hand, since the advent of feminism, we have always had, and still very much have, push-back from the opponents of feminism. That's where all the "You can't have it both ways" comments come from when, for eg, pregnant women want to sit down. It's always there- the desperate "well, what if men did that" scenario.

That's the backdrop to this. We, obviously, still live in a world of double standards. And, by God, we love it when women misbehave. Out come the "what if men did this" comments. It's risible.

I just had to comment when Weinstein was brought into it. Jeez. You couldn't make it up!

but I agree entirely with you about that. It's distracting actually to make the comparisons where they don't work - and women tend to come off worse, which makes it inequitable/injust/unfair.

If we looked at specific behaviours and not the sex of the person, we'd probably all argue a bit less.

Yes, I though the HW post was off too. It's hugely distracting.

I agree comparisons are not required. I disagree with anyone who excuses this loutish overly sexualised harrassement of our firefighters going about their jobs.

What do the idiots want that do this,,,do they think want to go back in time nd to be seen as nothing more than T&a to titalate and amuse men? So they get wankered and get them out in the street?

It's not ok. It's lacking in self respect, good judgement, dignity or anything else positive.

I'm also a bit hmm that you think, just because I can identify toxic, sexist undercurrents, I should also have the 'solution' to sexual harrassment.

And I'm a bit that you're saying I said that.

Not all men want to be subjected to the sight of random women's breast no matter what the media would have you believe.
I can believe it would make a lot of people uncomfortable and embarrassed.