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To say bras are not for boys

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/01/2018 13:50

Another trans bully nightmare. Targetting the yellowberry bra brand now

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/bra-gate-yellowberry-products-now-for-everyone/

When will this BS end?

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Ereshkigal · 02/01/2018 21:23

I think the people this trans activist had in mind were "non binary femmes". Girls who don't identify as female or girls/women but present in a "feminine" way. They are just confused attention seekers who like labels in my opinion.

Ereshkigal · 02/01/2018 21:24

And non binary femmes can also be feminine males.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/01/2018 21:30

Still makes no sense as surely feminine males are the very thing they are claiming no one can be as the whole point of a man saying he is a woman is because he likes feminine things?

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/01/2018 21:34

And why does advocating for non binary people only ever come up when something's aimed at girls because offer a third gender neutral option atbany other time thats not acceptable but when it suits them all of a sudden its "change the language its offensive" i mean why not advocate for rotating days for words for the gender fluid crew?

kooshbin · 02/01/2018 22:04

Gileswithchainsaw - Not only do i love your screen-name, I also love your comment: "I mean make your fucking minds up."

The gender fluid is leaking out of their ears.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/01/2018 22:05

The gender fluid is leaking out of their ears

I'm trying not to laugh at that but..

Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 22:31

We need a dictionary for tge very confusing trans language. I am 😕😕

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/01/2018 22:37

Me too. I mean each addition seems to contradict the last one, they want to erase the very things they are transitioning too and from and whilst simultaneously telling people how to do it better. And trans people are even telling trans people that they aren't good enough trans people but also that people who aren't even transitioning should he considered trans too.

You can't mention biology as its hate speak but are then told all about advanced biology

Meanwhile the whole thing could he achieved by just wearing and doing what you like .

Awaits next letter.. ..

thebewilderness · 02/01/2018 23:08

I suspect that trans identified males and their advocates referring to transexuals as truscum tells us exactly who they are. We should take the advice of Maya Angelou and believe them.

Thehairthebod · 02/01/2018 23:08

The gender fluid is leaking out of their ears.

You won today's Internet with that comment!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 02/01/2018 23:40

Ah honestly there was a tech guy who did the morning show tech sesh on radio Scotland. Great voice, good advice. Gary Marshall, I think

Then he said he was coming out all non binary and how his wife always knew (right). And their child. Or something. Then Radio Scotland had him and 3 other trans people on a show to discuss the Jenni Murray thing. It was brutal

His poor wife

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StrangeLookingParasite · 03/01/2018 00:01

All those people saying things like this

Sure, boys and men can wear bras, but there's absolutely no point. They are a garment with a specific function.

can fuck off.

O rly. Hmm

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/01/2018 04:56

Loops
What you said about being female even if you were in a male body is not supported by scientific data.

If we take that view from conception:

You are now to be born as a person with male genitalia. Your chromosomes would have determined your sex. From conception, you would have had different hormones swimming around your body.

These hormones would have affected every part of your being at a cellular level. A human brain contains about 100 billion cells and your hormones (now male hormones) would have had a large input in determining the very structure of your brain.

Your gonads will have formed differently. You would no longer have hormonal fluctuations, governed by a menstrual cycle, which change on a day to day basis. You would most likely feel a lot stronger, more positive and powerful just because you are now male and for having hormones, which fluctuate for the most part within a 24 hours time period instead of roughly every 28 days.

If we take that view from brain transplant:

Say it were possible to transplant your female body today into the average male. As soon as your brain were connected to the body, your brain would start to change due to the biology of the body. Immediately, the hormones fluctuating around your body would make you feel very differently, give you different input, make you behave in a different ways and give you very different sexual urges.

Hormones are secreted in areas other than the pituary gland but it is the pituary gland that is regulates many processes of the body. You would now have a male pituary gland. You could choose to not have a pituary gland perhaps. But then you’d have to be injected with an array of male hormones to make your survival possible and these would also have a heavy influence on your brain.

Testosterone buzz perhaps? Levels in males is 10 fold that of females. It would probably make you feel invincible and want to fuck everything that moves.

As for brain structure? It is a fallacy that the brain does not produce new neurons. It does. The new neurons your body creates will have been grown inside a male body and therefore be influenced by the biology of that body. As your old neurons die day by day, it is possible you would become increasingly male in thought and action. It is a fair assumption that your brain would become more aligned with your body over time simply by having a different balance of hormones flowing through it and these new neurons. It is therefore hypothetically possible for your brain to accept no longer being female.

Obviously this is all supposition. One researcher a couple of decades ago found in autopsy MIT brains to have less typically male connections in them and more on a par with female brains. She suggested these connections could be changed through the introduction of hormones. This was done on a small sample due to the difficulty of obtaining enough brains. It is one exploration and further exploration is happening. Have a read of this. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lgbt-biology/born-this-way-researchers-explore-the-science-of-gender-identity-idUSKBN1AJ0F0.

For the experiment to hold any scientific value, i have assumed that your brain would need to be transplanted into the body of an average, heterosexual male.

Further research may or may not turn up different evidence. Scientists are at least looking at evidence.

Your theory is based on heresay fed to you by people with an agenda.

CheapSausages

I’m sorry that you, like me, have been adversely affected by misogyny about your breasts/chest. I am saddened that people have bought into misogynistic rhetoric that a part of a woman’s body (which is constantly visible) can be deemed as not good enough because of its shape or size. You are both beautiful inside and out. No one can take this away from you.

Aeroflotgirl

Thanks for the apology. I wasn’t offended at all. More saddened by what I read as brainwashing.

AstraiaLiberty · 03/01/2018 11:07

I think the people this trans activist had in mind were "non binary femmes". Girls who don't identify as female or girls/women but present in a "feminine" way. They are just confused attention seekers who like labels in my opinion.

You might have it right there. I know that one of the people supporting this transactivist was Ana Mardoll, who is female but describes herself as a non-binary transperson, genderfluid 'demigirl' and so on, and has also said that she is a woman "once or twice a year" whatever the hell that means. At a guess, high-performance femininity? Which would make me a woman never.

Anyway, it would make sense if that's where the 'I need a bra but I'm not a woman' logic comes from. I'm not sure whether that's better or worse than wanting bras to be marketed to actual boys.

Ereshkigal · 03/01/2018 11:40

The actual boys think they're girls, so it has to be either trans identifying females or non binary people.

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/01/2018 11:50

The actual boys think they're girls, so it has to be either trans identifying females or non binary people

I'm still trying to figure out, how you can decide you identify neither or both or multiple while trying to erase the existence of all of them. If they don't exist then how are you here..Confused

Ereshkigal · 03/01/2018 11:53

I just recall the boggling conversation I had with a "non binary" male who said he wasn't protected by current workplace discrimination law as he "didn't have a sex".

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/01/2018 11:57
Confused

Did he think he was just beamed down as a mass of molecules from outer space.

He has a mother and a father how can he not know how he came to be and ergo what he actually is?

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/01/2018 11:58

Did he stand confused in the corridor at school wetting himself?

How Did he even get a job or credit card or a car or a home without ever answering that question on a form?

Datun · 03/01/2018 12:01

Before he has sex does he stand there with the contraceptive pill in one hand and a condom in the other and explode in a lather of indecision?

Ereshkigal · 03/01/2018 12:05

Did he think he was just beamed down as a mass of molecules from outer space.

Evidently so. Or a good one I saw on twitter, left under a bush by a unicorn.

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/01/2018 12:15

But those bushes are there because well... biology......

But biology isn't really except when it's advanced biology?

Sex isn't real except whan you decide you don't have one?

Ereshkigal · 03/01/2018 12:26

The unicorns leaving babies behind bushes was sarcastic! Agree it is very hard to tell when what trans activists come out with is so insane Grin

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2018 12:30

You know all those Chinese baby girls who were killed over all the years for not being boys ......

You mean the ones assigned female expendable at birth?

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/01/2018 12:41
Grin

I for one hope they carry on because the more they do the more they just make themselves look like idiots.

So science is bull shit? Except when it invents pills and allows you to cut your penis off?

You have always been a woman? What even when you were having sex producing children and entering men's competitions?

You think lesbians should he having sex with penises which is the exact opposite of what lesbians do but you can wave that rainbow flag? Unlike lesbians who don't want to have sex with a penis who are a disgrace to the lgbt community?

You literally walk around In bright skimpy clothing covered in make up with your hair straightened and your over exaggerated hand gestures but it's nothing to do with stereotypes?

Even they supporters are tripping themselves up. They are women unless They are criminals in which case it's on a case by case basis? How does that work?

It's at least amusing to see them all basically stick their fingers in their ears and singing.....