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To say bras are not for boys

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/01/2018 13:50

Another trans bully nightmare. Targetting the yellowberry bra brand now

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/bra-gate-yellowberry-products-now-for-everyone/

When will this BS end?

OP posts:
Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 17:08

upabitby who, those involved with helping girls and women who have suffered FGM, or the same transactivists that bullied Yellow berry!

EvilDoctorHogmanayDuck · 02/01/2018 17:09

I feel very strongly about this. DS1 wears a lot of "women's" clothes at the age of 27, as far as I'm concerned, he can wear what the fuck he likes.

MaisyPops · 02/01/2018 17:09

Also you do realise that what you are saying here is really offensive to the millions of women in the world over the last few millenia who have been oppressed purely on the basis of their SEX. They haven't been oppressed because of their 'lady brain' they have been oppressed because of their biologically female bodies. And they can't 'identify' their way out of those female bodies either
This ^^^^

Meanwhile in TransActivistVille men who've got used to all the male privilege their penis affords them now want to put on eyeliner and mansplain what it is to be a woman. So they put the pretty dresses on and perform stereotypes all whilst claiming they are as womanly or more womanly than actual women.
And women, well real women just have to put uo and shut up because men know best on everything.
After all it's a well known fact that having a penis means your insight into periods, pregnabcy and all things woman is so much better than those of us with a female biological system.

It really pisses me off. There are normal biologically male men who are more understanding of what it is to be a woman than these men in dresses whining about why labelling tampons feminine care products upsets them every month when their penis bleeds. Hmm

woodhill · 02/01/2018 17:11

Have they got nothing better to do?

MaisyPops · 02/01/2018 17:12

EvilDoctorHogmanayDuck
I agree. He can wear whatever he likes.

But he can't go around whining that 'the nasty people market a product to hold female breasts in place is designed for and marketed to women'.

As far as I'm concerned people can wear what they want, dress how they want, self identify as much as they want as long as they don't try to bullshit basic biological facts, try and tell me that putting on some lippie makes them a woman, claim that lesbians who don't like penis are transphobic or start deciding that as a man they can mansplain life as a woman to me.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/01/2018 17:12

If you can't define woman and gender andbeveryoje is different then how on earth out of the billions of personality traits, just how do you know what you are?

Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 17:13

Maisy here here
Totally hit the nail on the head. My DH would never mansplain or do such a things. He doesn't have much of a clue on woman's stuff, because he was born male not female.

Thehairthebod · 02/01/2018 17:13

Loop, You say that innate gender is the same as innate sexuality, but surely if the biological body bit doesn't actually mean anything then sexuality of any sort cannot exist.

You cant say 'I am a man who is attracted to other men' if biological bodies don't match up to any sort of label. Surely it would just have to be 'I am a person who is attracted to other people'.

Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 17:13

And he isent arrogant or aggressive Luke these transactivists.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/01/2018 17:14

So your biology exists, and if you have a prostate you're at risk of prostate cancer, but that doesn't make you a man. Any more than were I to wake up tomorrow with a penis and a prostate I would be a man, I am a woman, but not because of my parts.

Marvelling at this. What utter nonsense. Shock

As for the idea that the NHS should stop using sex as the trigger to send out screening invitations ..... good grief. As I understand it, when you reach the appropriate age you start getting invitation letters from your GP or other branch of the NHS. If the screening is only relevant to one sex, they only send the invitation to members of that sex. The cost of sending the invitations to everybody would be astronomical and it would be such an utter waste of time and money, all for the sake of not hurting the feelings of a very small group of people who have frankly lost touch with material reality.

MaisyPops · 02/01/2018 17:18

Exactly aero!

I really don't get whether these fanaticists are seriously arrogant or utterly foolish when they try to tell women about periods, female puberty, pregnancy, birth.
They are features associated with being biologically female.

It always amuses me that most of the loud whining gits are men in their 20s/30s identifying as women, many of whom have zero intention of transitioning.

I've never seen a trans man go around telling biological men that they are an expert on being a man and know about all things penis-related because they wear men's clothing.

Sort of interesting really. Transwomen brought up with lots of male privilege expect to retain their privilege, which surely shows they know fuck all about being a woman.

MyDaNos · 02/01/2018 17:22

I've never seen a trans man go around telling biological men that they are an expert on being a man and know about all things penis-related because they wear men's clothing.

Do trans men campaign for their right to use urinals? Mind boggles

Ereshkigal · 02/01/2018 17:24

Any more than were I to wake up tomorrow with a penis and a prostate I would be a man

How do you what would happen? It's just ridiculous self indulgent hypothetical nonsense. Perhaps there would no longer be such a thing in existence as a woman so you along with everyone else would have become a man?

Thekitten · 02/01/2018 17:25

Back to the original post, I didn't get that the question from the social worker was saying that boys can wear bras (I don't care if they do or not, that's up to them). But that intersex/gender non conforming/trans teenagers may not identify as female but are still growing breasts, and they may well want/need to wear bras, so asking them to be inclusive of their marketing for them. Not necessarily "boys wear bras so take girls out of your marketing".
Even so, why is everyone getting in a twist about items of clothes when on the one hand we're saying "it's just clothes" when it comes to children playing dress up in whatever princess/cowboy outfit they want or people wearing trousers/skirts whatever, but bras are a problem?
Is it because they perform a supporting function? As above, intersex/trans/gender nonconforming individuals may still need them.

Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 17:26

Exactly MyDa, I don't see that, they might go into the men's and try and use one using different adaptions.

PasstheStarmix · 02/01/2018 17:27

I laughed when a male doctor said to me 'not getting an epidural isn't a badge of honour you know.'I replied 'no but epidural increases the rate of assisted births requiring forceps/ventuse and I don't fancy the implications of that down below.' Why these men think they have a clue I don't know!

PasstheStarmix · 02/01/2018 17:28

I say I laughed I really wanted to slap him in the face and I'm not a violent person...

EvilDoctorHogmanayDuck · 02/01/2018 17:29

MaisyPops I agree, and I hope he wouldn't dream of doing such a stupid thing.

Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 17:29

Exactly Maisy, Monday they are male, on Tuesday, they are Female whatever they fancy that day. Pop a dress on, I am a Female and will whinge about gendered clothing.

Thehairthebod · 02/01/2018 17:31

Is it because they perform a supporting function?

Yes, exactly that. Bras are to support breasts, which are generally a female characteristic. Some women can get away without them, someone women would have horrific back problems without them, most women like to wear them though for support.

PositivelyPERF · 02/01/2018 17:32

So Loop, you're actually in favour of doing away with lesbian and homosexual same sex support groups? If they're online dating you have no problem with a lesbian who wants to have a relationship with a woman, being called a bigot because she won't sleep with a 'lesbian with a penis. You really are sexist and homophobic, aren't you?

Aeroflotgirl · 02/01/2018 17:32

There are plenty of gender neutrual bras, why target this small company with a specific purpose, to provide bras for young girls. Girls and women are the very people who will mostly wear bras.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/01/2018 17:32

Why these men think they have a clue I don't know!

Well, you have a good point about the possible problems if you have an epidural, but in this case I imagine the reason this man thought he knew something about it would be because he's gone through five years of medical school and quite a few years of specialist training and possibly Royal College exams subsequently.

MaisyPops · 02/01/2018 17:33

Thekitten
Identification has nothing to do with it. If you are growing breasts and going through female puberty then you are a biological woman.
Bras and female underwearnis designed and marketed to biological women.

They might not identify as female but they are a woman.
Option 1 - teach non female identifying person and teach them how to shop for bras that are not girly (there are many. Hell i live in my sports crop tops when i can) and help them deal with any dysphoria they are feeling so they can male whatever the right choice is for them.

Option 2 - get all ridiculous about needing to protect people from the basic facts of their biology by changing the system.

evil You seem quite grounded. I always think that loud whiny trans activists must be irritating as fuck for normal trans folk.

UpABitLate · 02/01/2018 17:34

It's because they also want to take "female / woman / girl" out of everything else as well, invisibilise things like VAW (can't say that) or societal problem with male sexual violence (can't say that), that lesbians must suck cock, otherwise bigot, call girls menstruators, non prostate havers, ignore the sex basis of so many atrocities all over the world, and etc and so on.

It's what they call the thin end of the wedge, I think is the term?