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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ruin everyone's Christmas?

213 replies

awifeyforlifey · 21/12/2017 17:55

This is my first thread, but I think I need some other perspectives here. Sorry for the length, as the whole thing's a bit fraught.

Background: every year, my DH's family celebrates Christmas the exact same way. When I married him, they expected all the traditions to continue the same: including having us sleep over on the floor of their already packed apartment so we could "wake up to Christmas," which they've all done since they were children. DH used to do it as a grown-up before we married (even after college, and even though he's always lived nearby). As we (still) lived nearby and I have medical issues that would make it difficult we declined the very first year, which did put several noses out of joint (although they were aware of my health issues) but the precedent was set and everyone was fine with it by the next year.

Fast forward several more years and we now have a baby under a year old. I should add that the only other change in tradition that's been "allowed" up to this point by DH's family is that the now married children can go visit their spouse's parents for a few hours before coming back in the evening. It's been this way for the past several years, which short-changes my parents a bit, but they're less sticklers for tradition and have been very gracious about it.

Our problem is this: the back and forth no longer works with a baby, so we've let everyone know that this year we're doing our own Christmas at home in the morning, and splitting our afternoon availability between DH's family and mine, who mercifully live somewhat close together. My parents, as always, are fine with it.

We know DH's family's day is structured with traditions so we've said not to change anything or wait for us, and that if it doesn't work for them to have us during the time we're available for them, not to worry about it. We'll spend Christmas with my folks.

Apparently we've now ruined Christmas. We've had push-back from several of DH's family (all with no children) about how much more convenient it would be for them not to have to change the layout of the day to accommodate us (which we've not asked for). We've had requests to exchange our availability for them with the time we reserved for my folks (which doesn't work for the baby's sleep/eat schedule - he's never been to DH's family to visit as he's not been invited, but his high chair/playpen/etc. are at my parents' house and we've timed it so that he'd have access to them at the right point).

DH's family has since then all discussed it between them and told us what their plan for us that day is. We've nicely declined and repeated our availability. I received a pursed-lips reply that they'd "have to check with everybody and get back to you, and we'll find something that works for EVERYONE." I'm honestly I'm not quite sure what that means, as we really can't change our availability that day. It either works for them or it doesn't.

The reason they want us to change our plans appears to be the fact that we'll be at DH's family's house during the time that the other grown-up children have "always" visited their spouses' families, and that they'll miss seeing the baby if we don't change times. While I do understand, if they do REALLY want to see the baby there doesn't appear to be any reason they can't. We gave them a week's advance notice to plan, and DH's siblings are married into my extended family. I've spoken with them about our plans in advance and they told me not to worry, that they'd be sure to get with us at some point that day; and if not, they'd see us at the family party the weekend before.

DH and I have discussed it, and both agreed we had laid out the day based on what was best for the baby, but I've gotten bombarded again today until I'm feeling a bit crap about the whole thing and wondering if there's something horrible I've missed. Now it's being suggested that everyone be invited back to mine in the afternoon instead, which would definitely ruin all the evening traditions, so I don't understand it at all. AIBU to just want to stick to the original plan?

OP posts:
CalpolandCoke · 22/12/2017 18:10

This sounds like my in laws, all on their terms. I don't get it, I really don't. It's one fucking day, few presents and abig roast dinner!

Butterymuffin · 22/12/2017 18:11

Maybe OP and her husband don't want to have to dash out on Christmas morning to get to someone's house before 9am? And frankly if you do that when you have a baby (who I agree won't really know much) it's harder to pull back when they're a few years older and it matters to be at home and listening out for Santa etc. Easier from the start to say 'now we have DC we're going to let them wake up on Christmas morning in their own home'.

Tapandgo · 22/12/2017 18:11

Pressurising people into ‘their traditions’ is too bullying. You are a new family and every right to shape your own traditions!
If you give in to this pressure - prepared to be pressured forever. Stick firm (every sane parent puts their child’s needs before wider adult ‘tradition’.

gribak · 22/12/2017 18:18

I don't know why relatives make Christmas like this, because its a common story - we have had upsets over Cristmas too in the past, it became all about keeping family happy on the day, and I would spend no time with my kids enjoying Christmas as a result. We have had family members not talk to us, others dumping us repeatedly when a better offer comes along for Christmas Day - it has been crazy. Now we have somehow moved into having Christmas on our own and it is great! I was tempted in the past to book a holiday through Christmas, so that we are away - in desperation to step back from over bearing family members. I agree with most others on here, do your own thing - perhaps not this year completely if that is impossible, but a good tip is to plan Christmas early on in the year, plan to have it the way you want to have it and let everyone get used to the idea really early on. Or plan to be away and only tell them last minute!

Sennelier1 · 22/12/2017 18:19

My parents have 7 children with their respective partners, and 22 grandchildren between 7 and 32 years old. More than half of them bring a partner. There are 3 great-grandchildren. Ages ago my dad decided to have the family party on boxing day, in daytime (so no sleepovers need to be arranged). It works fine, and all the parents of in-laws know about this and work around it, some on christmas-eve or christmas-day, others on newyears-eve or day.

cowssheephens · 22/12/2017 18:20

Stick firm OP, you are doing what's right for your little family. I would 100% stick to your plans and don't let anyone bully you into changing that.

Lovingit81 · 22/12/2017 18:22

I'd get your DH to tell them to go fuck themselves. How incredibly selfish!! Do not bend to this behaviour.

Maireadplastic · 22/12/2017 18:30

They had their traditions when their children were little. Now it's your turn.'

And now you say 'Isn't it lovely you have your traditions?! Now we are are starting our own- I hope we do as well as you did!'.

That's it.

Maelstrop · 22/12/2017 18:31

I just don’t understand all of the madness surrounding who goes where for Christmas. If you have small dc, stay home! It’s bonkers to be schlepping them round various houses when all they want to do is stay home and play with their presents.

My parents would have loved me to go home, but once I was married and certainly once my DH was on shifts, there was no way we were going to drive hundreds of miles to the other end of the country to spend 2 fraught days waiting to go home again. Having animals is an amazing excuse!

Megs4x3 · 22/12/2017 18:31

Why shouldny your child wake up in their own home on Christmas morning? They are being incredibly selfish. What will they do when everyone has multiple children? Change the plans to suit themselves no doubt. I have several children and lots of grandchildren and have always recognised that there are other extended family they want to spend time with and times when they just want to be on their own. Your poor parents. I'm with others who say that there is no reason not to stick to your plan and if necessary not visit at all on Christmas day. Emotional blackmail is unnecessary and awful!

mimosaadorna · 22/12/2017 18:33

YANBU !!. This sort of rampant parent Nazism Is pathetic, bullying, nasty, and almost bordering on blackmail. I think you just have to stick to your guns , with what you’ve decided , and ignore the fallout . I know this is easier said than done.....But the longer you carry on allowing yourself to be blackmailed , the longer it will carry on. As you yourself have said, after the first year of change in the routine it was accepted- And you have to carry on in this vein now.

BroccoliOnTheFloor · 22/12/2017 18:36

Keep in mind that the more you accomodate them, the more they'll expect you to be a pushover. The year you get a new baby is the year you have an excuse to break free from this madness. You are allowed to be very selfish now.

All these people who desperately need to see the baby can surely drop in for a cup of tea on literally any other day of the year.

Oldraver · 22/12/2017 18:37

I think you're right in forging ahead with a Christmas that suits your
family

I would tell them if it was going to put everyone out you will come another day like 6 months time

JJ2014 · 22/12/2017 18:38

I think you are making it a drama and being slightly precious. Your baby will just come along to what ever you are doing. I don’t agree with the sleeping on the floor stuff though, a fine fun tradition for kids, not adults. Just mind not over stimulating your bub as then it’s worse for you and bub. As for having a high chair etc and nap times, that’s not the end of the world. I think you might be making an excuse now that your baby has come along.

smilingontheinside · 22/12/2017 18:42

I'm with the majority tell them where to go and start your own family tradition with your baby and OH. I have a very young gc and they are coming to us at whatever time they can get here and leave when they've had enough. Dinner will fit in somewhere and gc can sleep in moses basket. Next yr going to other GPS and we get to chill. I'd they decided to stay home in future we'll disappear to warmer climes for couple weeks Grin

RaqsMax · 22/12/2017 18:52
  1. It's highly unreasonable to expect your family's Christmas routines to remain exactly the same once you get older and new spouses/partners get thrown into the mix. Mature adults appreciate that things cannot be the same as before, and that new and flexible routines have come into play. You might have to alternate each year between different parents, or alternate spending Christmas Day/Boxing Day with the different families. Particularly true where long distances are involved.
  2. When small children come along, it gets even more complicated as in addition you do have to be flexible around the children's needs. Again, reasonable grandparents/aunties & uncles should appreciate that you will fit them in where you can, and it is their job to be gracious and flexible about it.
  3. It is not your job to negotiate these tricky negotiations with your husband's family; it is his. Tell him to let his parents/siblings know that these are the options. If they MUST see you on Christmas Day, it has to be at the times you have stated, or else they won't get to see you at all, and you'll meet up with them on Boxing Day (or whenever).

Your choice. Your family. YOUR new traditions to decide!

Weebo · 22/12/2017 19:09

There seem to be a few demanding IL's in the making on this thread.

You will all be the threads of Mumsnet future. Xmas Grin

Gardentour2016 · 22/12/2017 19:09

Different perspective here. Unless there is some other reason you do not want to be with them on the holiday, YABU. You are lucky that both sides live nearby, your folks don’t care, but his family clearly really, really want to continue what sounds like a lovely tradition and THEY WANT TO SEE THEIR FIRST GRANDCHILD/NIECE/NEPHEW ON CHRISTMAS. That does not strike me as unreasonable. These are the traditions that your own children will treasure down the line. Stay at your own place, get up early, bring the baby. Screw the routines - one day will not ruin your baby’s routine for life. Trust me on this. Frankly I think it sounds like you are looking for a way of getting out of seeing his family. If that is the case, fine, but be direct and honest about it, at least with yourself & your husband. Don’t get all petty about routines and windows of availability — that’s passive/aggressive. Others have said his family sounds like hard work but honestly I think you do, as well.

Fundays12 · 22/12/2017 19:10

I would tell the lot if them you either come when it suits you or you don’t come at all. It’s your family and your day too they have no right to dictate how you spend it. We have Christmas Day in our home with our own kids my MIL normally comes over to visit then we go to my mums and step dads in Boxing Day or they come to us. It’s all very relaxed and enjoyable.

Juststopamoment · 22/12/2017 19:11

I had in laws who expected all the adults to sit on the floor in their bedroom opening stockings while they stayed in their bed. Apparently this was a tradition for them. I was in my 40s with a child and they thought I was unreasonable for refusing to do it. Looking back now I am no longer in touch with any of them I realise that the whole family was insane. I’m sure you’ll look back and think the same.

Seb1969 · 22/12/2017 19:14

Wow struggling to believe these people are adults ! If this was my family they would understand that things change when you have a baby and that you're not changing plans to upset them it just makes sense to change the arrangements so your life is easier and that your family also have some of your precious time. Tradition is nice but sticking to it rigidly surely isn't necessary if it's going to càuse problems. If I was you I'd do whatever you want to do, visit who you want at what time is good for you and don't let anyone try to make you feel guilty about your decisions. I hope it goes well and you all have a lovely Christmas.

Weebo · 22/12/2017 19:16

Some babies genuinely don't cope very well when their routines get fucked about.

We could have kept DS1 out until midnight/skipped his nap/changed eating times and he would still have been happy and smiley.

DS2 would have been (and at 4 still would be) a cranky, tearful mess. Who wants to spend their Christmas trying to settle a miserable baby?

Saying 'Oh he will be fine because mine were' is a bit silly.

Aki99 · 22/12/2017 19:17

Stick with your plans and unplug the phone/turn off the mobile and stay away from fb until Christmas for some peace so they can’t put pressure on you

GreenShadow · 22/12/2017 19:20

I'd agreed with most other posters - do what you want when you want, until I read about 'schedule transitions'. What the heck is that???

Don't let baby rule your life. If you want to go out when baby normally naps - would you? They are adaptable things and before The Contented Baby books introduced strict routines, babies had to fit round your life not the other way round.

But in your case, I do think it's fair enough not to go the in-laws if you don't want to.

FaveNumberIs2 · 22/12/2017 19:25

Wtaf?

At the risk of sounding like an ass, how about you tell both families that, as a new family with baby, you will be starting your own family traditions which will be in your own home with open doors to visitors from 1pm.

This is YOUR (and your partner’s) life, your decisions should be made to make you happy and if anyone else doesn’t like it, then that’s their problem.

It’s christmas, it happens every year, it’s nit the end of the bloody world if you decide to do something you want to do for a change.