Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

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www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

Well done Computer, you can Google French quotes. Very clever. I can do a liiiittle bit more than that in French but well done for having a go.

@Julie8008

elle ne comprend pas l'ironie

I was talking about the DUP, actually, but it could equally apply to a lot of leave voters.

And that sounds like a Google Translate job, Computer.

@loveintokyo

How is your French social life going eh?

I'm guessing not too well, based on the evidence of your postings.

Lonely... ever so lonely....

I'm currently on a completely different continent, in a hotel room by myself, if you must know. More bored than lonely.

@LoveInTokyo

Good for you.

Please, if I can ask you one thing, stop making awful psychological projections about other people

la dame n'est pas pour tourner

And with that I am off to bed. Nice chatting, and I honesty mean no ill will to anyone.

What psychological projections would those be?

Sweet dreams, Julie. I mean you no ill will either.

Ohhhh. con tray-air @Julie8008

elle est guidée par les vents de la mode

Hardly.

@LoveInTokyo

Sorry.

just be happy. No offence

I am happy.

I will be happier when I am finished for Christmas though.

@LoveInTokyo

sorry I am an annoying twat

Please have a lovely Christmas.

Haha, that was unexpected. I'm sorry I am smug and have a superiority complex. Merry Christmas to you too.

you like coalitions that no one votes for then yes they are fairer, if you like weak governments then yes they are fairer, if you like paralysis then yes they are fairer

• Technically more people have actually voted for the parties in government in a coalition.
• since WW2 Germany (initially FDR) has had a series of coalitions that have provided strong and stable governments.
• some forms of PR do lead to weak governments - many other forms absolutely do not.

I do not even know where to start on your description of the US system as binary. Which branch of government? As compared to our 'non binary' system?

You have previously expressed a support for democracy and yet support one of the least democratic forms of voting.

Brexit supporters are appalled and offended when people describe their arguments as ill educated and lacking in credibility. They claim they are being patronised. And then they put forward arguments that are based on prejudice against 'foreign' systems. Argue against any form of government that has any form of checks and balances because it is too complicated.
If you don't want to be treated like you are stupid stop saying stupid things.

^Economically self reliant
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Unless the UK was an anarchist commune, I doubt that's possible. The far right argument for leaving the EU is so that the UK can become an offshore tax haven, perhaps that's where you're coming from?

Smallfox is back it's a Christmas Miracle La petit vulpine est reborn

To be fair Mousse, Belgium was without a government for over a year since I've been living here; the current Dutch coalition is hanging by one seat, and my Dutch friends said trying to decide how to vote was a nightmare in terms of what you wanted as opposed to what you'd end up with. It took 7 months to achieve the Dutch coalition and 548 days in 2010/11 to get a Belgian one. Who knows how long Mutti will be horsetrading before a coalition is formed in Germany?

FPTP may not be perfect, but you normally get a clear result. 2010 is the only time since I started voting that a GE result wasn't an outright victory for one of the two main parties in the UK.

scaryteacher

Yes - as I said some forms of PR (of which there are many) do create weak governments but some don't. Also the weak government is often a feature of the political landscape rather than the system.

FPTP has allowed - on several occasions - the party that won the popular vote to loose the election and that goes against every democratic ideal! That is the democracy Brexit supporters are fighting for.

Coalition is not a bad thing. We teach our children that cooperation and team work are valuable skills. In the business environment the ability to work in teams and build consensus is highly valued but we want our country run by people who refuse to compromise. Then they do compromise - the skill that builds relationships and businesses - and we despise them.

I quite like Coalition govt too, as long as public expectations are accordingly adjusted. Single winner takes all is inferior form of democracy.

Funny thing about the Trump presidency is it clarified to me how much the founding fathers designed a govt that could only act slowly & carefully in domestic matters. That was the point. To prevent sweeping actions and autocratic rule, to ensure cooperation across political spectrum and institutions. They deliberately created an inefficient process. Ruddy genius (sincere!).

lljkk

Indeed the US constitution like the EU is carefully crafted to ensure checks and balances this is one of the reasons I am so irritated when people claim the EU is over complex, confusing and undemocratic.

The US system was designed as a direct repudiation of the British system and like you say is being put to the test at the moment.

When people complain about the EU frequently their complaints amount to "it's different and I don't understand it" - and I'm afraid this is not really a valid constitutional argument.

Steady everyone: we have a (and I quote) "tangible benefit of Brexit".

Blue passports.

I know it's great news I am really happy to be getting it back I'll be changing it as soon as I can.