Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

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www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

Hate UKIP, they deliberately take money from EU and pointedly do no work there. That's how they know so intimately how useless MEPs are.

So who did you vote for as your representative EU MP then, however shit UKIP are they was very clear of their agenda from day one, the fact they did get a substantial influence shows that remainers where not actively engaged in the EU project as they proclaim to have.

your argument seems to be "people are thick and can't be trusted to vote

That is not my argument at all. I never mentioned intelligence. My argument is about a system that is deliberately so obtuse as to be inaccessible to the general voter.

Anyone else get a UKIP leaflet through their door today?

Synopsis:-

Theresa May has agreed to give at least £20 billion of our money in a ‘divorce bill’. But she hasn’t got anything all in return.

Our EU membership fee is £362 million per week, and we only get half of that back. We’re still giving them £165 million per week more than they give us.

Discuss

Do you have the same opinion of our PM? Afterall, I didn't and couldn't have voted for her to be in the HoP.

I voted for Keith Taylor and I always knew what he was doing in the European Parliament because he regularly posts on social media about what he has been working on recently. During the meetings that he, y'know, actually goes to.

It is not inaccessible to the general voter

How thick do you think people are.

Do you really not understand how EU elections work?

Go on then KennDodd, explain to me how one could have voted to avoid any one of the 5 presidents we now have (or combination thereof), what who their alternatives were and what their manifestos were at the time of voting. Because even looking on the internet I cant find any of that out. And I am interested in that stuff.

"If there was to be another referendum, despite being a remain voter, I would vote leave on principle."

Oh dear, I think LittleMissBrainy should change her username.

Julie - what presidents are you even talking about? Decisions are generally taken in the EU by the European Council which is made up of the governments of the member states. They appoint a president but he just drives policy forward, he's not like a supreme ruler.

Maybe you should have read a book on this instead of voting for years of poverty for all of us? Just an idea.

Anyway, Julie I guess you're saying people voted Brexit because they didn't (couldn't) understand how the EU worked. Presumably those who voted Remain did understand how the EU worked, hence voting Remain. I think you might be on to something with that.

@MousseMouse

Well quite. I've just asked my 11 year old if she knows what the EU is, what Brexit was and what an MEP is.

"The EU is a group of some of Europe. Brexit is because England voted to leave".

"I don't know what an MEP is. Is it a bit like an MP?"

If an 11 year old can grasp the basic concept in a 30 second pop quiz, people of age to vote should be capable and interested in finding out!

Maybe you should have read a book on this instead of voting for years of poverty for all of us? Just an idea.
Well possibly reading a book on EU politics should be a required condition of voting, only that would probably exclude half the population. I am not sure it can be called democracy if you exclude half the population.

JacquesHammer Perhaps you can ask your 11yo what group her MEP is in and what manifesto that group stood on?

It would exclude more than half the population Julie, but probably at least 99% of the 52% so I'd be OK with that.

People who read books / do their research tend to make better decisions.

Presumably those who voted Remain did understand how the EU worked, hence voting Remain.
Why would you presume that, I see no evidence of that, didn't they keep voting UKIP?

No Julie. Only the people who wanted to leave the EU voted for UKIP. Do keep up.

Julie8008

I'll say it again -slowly. I teach 16 year olds the EU structures the vast majority understand it with ease. I'll try to find a diagram and post that. Perhaps a picture will help?

It really, really is not labyrinthine.

Perhaps you can ask your 11yo what group her MEP is in and what manifesto that group stood on?

"I don't know. We could look on Google"

So we did. She now knows.

Oh dear, I think LittleMissBrainy should change her username.

There's no need to be nasty @LoveInTokyo. I thought up my name as I was staring at the children's book from the Mr Men series when I needed it. No real thinking behind it.
But you have demonstrated the massive problem in the country today. Too many people cannot debate without getting nasty and personal. It's not from one side in particular but the sneering, condescending tones, the 'oh you're just a baby boomer, little englander you can't have sensible views' or 'oh you're just a lefty snowflake you don't know anything', the 'maybe you should read a book', or the 'oh you only get your information from that website?' and similar views do not constitute a good argument. I have heard sensible arguments on both sides of the Brexit argument. I have also heard arguments I don't agree with, I made my decisions accordingly and due to my experiences and expectations. I also have enough respect for others to assume they made their own conclusions for the same reasons, why can't you do the same?

Hahaha @ Mousse and JacquesHammer

People who read books / do their research tend to make better decisions

I would agree with that normally but when it comes so subjective forecasts and statistics, who do you think should determine which forecasts and statistics are the correct ones? Because as many books as I read the more statisticians, forecasters, politicians and pollsters give their 'opinions' the more they get it wrong.

LittleMissBrainy, if you didn't think Brexit was a good idea last year, what makes you think it is a good idea now? Is it really going so well, in your opinion? Because from where I'm standing it looks like a clusterfuck of epic proportions. And if you don't think it's going well, why on earth, given the chance to change direction and stop this madness, would you vote leave "on principle"? That is the definition of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, which is not a very brainy thing to do.

"I don't know. We could look on Google"
So we did. She now knows
And if we have to rely on the internet for the 'facts' on which we base our countries future then democracy is indeed dead.

Moussemoose
I assume you have only been teaching EU structures for a few years (if your in the UK) because not many adults in the UK seem to be able to explain it.

Lets give it forty years until everyone understands it and then we can a knowledgeable referendum on whether or not we should rejoin the EU.

Copied from the link below:

There are 3 main institutions involved in EU legislation:

the European Parliament, which represents the EU’s citizens and is directly elected by them;
the Council of the European Union, which represents the governments of the individual member countries. The Presidency of the Council is shared by the member states on a rotating basis.
the European Commission, which represents the interests of the Union as a whole

europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies_en

Three bodies that make up the executive and the legislature. No more complex than the US system.

"Facts"?

Julie, the identity of JacquesHammer's MEP is not a "fact", it is a fact. And Google is the world's biggest search engine, so whilst it may throw up a lot of questionable material, using it to find out the name of your MEP is probably reasonably safe, unless perhaps you don't know where you live.