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To be worn down (Trans related)

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WillowWept · 10/12/2017 15:09

Firstly there’ll be a few of you that say IABU for not sticking this in feminism. I make no apology: people need to know this.

The slide attached is from a CPS endorsed school training programme. It’s in schools now

The training supports any boy to access girls’ private spaces, based only on his own self-declared ‘gender identity’ and enforces the idea that to challenge this is a hate crime.

Girls are being taught to ignore their boundaries - the same ones that all parents work so hard to instil so as not to commit a crime. Putting men’s feelings before their physical safety.

We’re setting up our girls for horrific abuse I’m so tired of fighting this.

To be worn down  (Trans related)
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HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 10/12/2017 16:06

Have you ever actually experienced abuse from a person who identifies as transgender?

Nope. But equally I’ve never had an abusive partner or suffered abuse as a child. Doesn’t mean these things don’t happen.

Babybauble · 10/12/2017 16:06

That poster is rediculous. Brains have plasticity, so naturally if a person behaves a certain way, it will show up in brain imaging. Our brains constantly change, more so as a small child.

ferntwist · 10/12/2017 16:07

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StrangeLookingParasite · 10/12/2017 16:08

If a man wants to abuse a woman, he won't go through the rigmarole of 'identifying' as a woman to gain access to you. He will just abuse regardless. There aren't spades of transwomen waiting in changing rooms to grab your tits.

And yet there's been instance after instance of exactly that.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 10/12/2017 16:09

yanbu, that slide is just sexist bullshit. We do not sex animals based on brains or inner feelings, we sex people based on their biology.

Also if female brains are found in males then they are no longer female brains, the fact that a trait is present in both male and females means it's a trait found in males and females.

This is being pushed and forced and lobbied and I am sick of it.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/12/2017 16:11

No, there aren't spades of transwomen waiting in changing rooms to assault women - no one is suggesting there are. Transwomen, genuine transwomen, are Not The Problem.
Predatory Men identifying as (trans)women to gain access to women's spaces are The Problem. And yes, they will. And soon they'll be legally able to, without challenge.

guardianfree · 10/12/2017 16:12

Op
We are all just expected to believe complete lies and untruths because they are spoken by an allegedly 'powerless' group. (Who it turns out have managed to access our government, civil service and law makers to the extent never before seen with other pressure groups). Many of our politicians now actively state that any man is a 'real woman' if they say so! ) They have been given direct access to schools and are promoting falsehoods & the taking of drugs which will render children (below the age of consent) sterile!
They are promoting adult choices in schools and actively undermining safeguarding guidelines - and none of our politicians or Ofsted or the DfE appear to have noticed as they are all so blindsided by this poor vulnerable group of people.
I don't care about the choices that adults make for themselves and would support any campaigns by transgender organisations for resources / support for transgender people. But they are trying to persuade children (and adults) that their lifestyle choices are the 'real truth' and that we must all silence any concerns and not speak out, despite the fact that their choices are actually harming children and women - and in fact, society.
This poster sums it up well:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3108929-a-letter-to-the-woman-who-called-me-a-terf

MadisonMontgomery · 10/12/2017 16:12

One of my old coaches was arrested for hiding in the women’s changing rooms watching girls get undressed. I can’t believe that if that happened now all he would need to do is say that he identified as female that day and the girls he was watching would be arrested for a hate crime if they complained.

buttfacedmiscreant · 10/12/2017 16:15

If a male sexual predator wants to attack a woman in a women's toilet the sign on the door or public policy will not make the slightest difference. Men have gone in women's places to attack them since the dawn of time, signs on the door won't change that.

e.g. www.thecut.com/2017/03/seattle-jogger-attacked-in-public-bathroom-fights-back.html

Places in the US that allow trans people in either toilet have not found that crimes have gone up because of it.

Trans people are much much more likely to be a victim of a crime. Allowing them to use the toilet of their choice would help reduce this... if you are interested in reducing crime that is.

ConciseandNice · 10/12/2017 16:16

I think I've posted this before, but I have been abused at the hands of someone who is transgender.

I am so angry.

I was raped with a broken bottle. By HIM.

I have to post this. I am so angry.

buttfacedmiscreant · 10/12/2017 16:16

"Predatory Men identifying as (trans)women to gain access to women's spaces"

Predatory men already gain access to these spaces and have done for a long time. Generally predatory men aren't all that interested in laws.

ferntwist · 10/12/2017 16:17

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ConciseandNice · 10/12/2017 16:18

WillowWept

Sorry, that waist response to someone asking if you had ever been abused. It happens.

I am trying hard to breathe.
There are men who rape. There are men who don't
There are transgender women who have been rapists and probably still would.
I am scared for my daughters.
I am angry for them. They have aright to a safe place.

ferntwist · 10/12/2017 16:18

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 10/12/2017 16:19

Whatever your views on transgender rights, that slide is deliberately misleading. Brains are not hardwired.

This ^. The idea that there are male and female brains should not be taught in schools. If there are any differences the chances are it is due to nurture not nature. For example: the brains of taxi drivers are different to those of non-taxi drivers, but I think it would pretty silly to suggest that this is in some way innate.

Regardless of one's views about trans issues, children should not be taught pseudo-science.

B0033 · 10/12/2017 16:20

Predatory men already gain access to these spaces and have done for a long time.

But now when they claim to identify as women, natal women can't say a word about it. That's a big problem.

ferntwist · 10/12/2017 16:21

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WillowWept · 10/12/2017 16:21

concise I’m so so sorry.

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buttfacedmiscreant · 10/12/2017 16:25

I'm not in the UK.

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ConciseandNice · 10/12/2017 16:25

Thank you WillowWept

That means a lot. More than I can say.

I just feel so embattled. I feel my daughters are. Like we are under siege and when I see posts like yours, a little part of me feels relieved. Because I know I am not alone in worrying about it and that others feel the same.

FuzzyCustard · 10/12/2017 16:26

concise I am so very sorry.

buttfacedmiscreant · 10/12/2017 16:27

"In Maine, which has had gender identity protections in its state civil rights law for more than 11 years, the state Human Rights Commission was unaware of a single incident."

www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/health/transgender-bathroom-law-facts-myths/index.html