To be worn down (Trans related)

[WillowWept]

Firstly there’ll be a few of you that say IABU for not sticking this in feminism. I make no apology: people need to know this.

The slide attached is from a CPS endorsed school training programme. It’s in schools now

The training supports any boy to access girls’ private spaces, based only on his own self-declared ‘gender identity’ and enforces the idea that to challenge this is a hate crime.

Girls are being taught to ignore their boundaries - the same ones that all parents work so hard to instil so as not to commit a crime. Putting men’s feelings before their physical safety.

We’re setting up our girls for horrific abuse I’m so tired of fighting this.

God this is going to open a blooming floodgate, allowing paedophiles and pervs to do what they bloody want, without the protection for women. Bet this great idea would thought about by a man! Yes trans men can perv too, but its mainly going to be transwomen or those (biomales) who identify as a woman one day, and man the next.

Thank youbeyond I wanted to add my opposition but don't have all the links at my fingertips.

I am really very worried for young children with this kind of dangerous trans propaganda around. And also for victims of childhood sexual abuse who naturally are very traumatised and often develop issues with emotions and self-identity, dissociation shame etc. Its frightening that if the transagenda continues to gain a stronger and stronger foothold, perhaps these children's/ people's difficulties could be wrongly identified as trans-gender issues, rather than symptoms of possible abuse or trauma.

As much as anything, it just doesn't make sense to have huge numbers of people born into the wrong sex body!

He doesn't believe that it happens.

Then stay up to date with the news, as it is indeed happening.

I agree with you, Sparton. I've sent him links to articles, I've pointed him in the direction of things that are being said but the last time we had a conversation he just shouted at me and left the room.

I'm actually really worried that this could become a huge problem in our household as well as in wider society!

I've sent him links to all sorts of stuff. He just says it's terf propaganda; transpeople have rights; I'm a bigot; he's not engaging with a bigot... and conversation gets shut down.

I don't worry so much about the toilets / changing rooms issue. I mainly worry about the sheer stupidity of conflating biological
sex with socially constructed behaviours and attributes associated with gender. It's so regressive and limiting for what it means to be a woman or man.

If the brains of trans people are “wired” differently to those of non trans people does that not suggest that they are saying trans people have a truer understanding of being the gender they want to be than the people who are that gender (prefer the word sex but this works better here). If so that means they have nothing to actually transition from?

It’s all such around the houses whataboutery.

Sick of it.

It's terf/transphobe propaganda.

Which bit is propaganda?

Star Oh it happens. I know someone who works in a womens' prison with a TIM who requested condoms...

If a man dresses up, does his hair, puts make up on and nail varnish and declares himself a woman then No matter how awful he looks he is a progressive hero and fawned over by liberals. If a woman chooses to do the same and dress in exactly the same way she is regressive and stupid and it is such a double standard. The erosion of women is real.

Funny how most of these transwomen literally dress like prostitutes or cartoon characters Once a trans colleague was called into work on a day off, and turned up dressed as little bo peep complete with pink check mini skirt. Because that is how most women in their 40s dress on a day off innit.

I dread to think the reaction if i turned up to work dressed as little bo peep. But because nobody can upset the poor menz, nobody says a word.

Star, does your son live with you? He should show you some fucking respect? Nobody, even my be,over chi,dream, would call me a bigot in my own home.

I think much of his argument is that the proposals I've told him about are so ridiculous that he has just refused to accept that that is the case.

Star I have to confess that is also my view and that of many others. Rightly or indeed wrongly, I frankly find it preposterous that a man can stroll into the women's changing room and should he be questioned just say "Oh, I identify as a woman, don't you?"

Rightly or indeed wrongly, I frankly find it preposterous that a man can stroll into the women's changing room and should he be questioned just say "Oh, I identify as a woman, don't you?"

ONE man tweeted that topshop had refused him entry to the ladies changing rooms and overnight, the rooms were open to anyone depending on their choice of room. OVERNIGHT! Primark also proudly followed shortly afterwards. Anyone questioning this is called a bigot, a TERF and told to go and kill themselves.

Yes it is preposterous. That is the fucking point.

He does live with me. He's 18. The thing is, he's been brought up to think very inclusively. We didn't use hetereonormative language, are respectful of everyone... unfortunately, in this instance, he thinks that transwomen are more marginalised than women and, therefore, should be supported.

His position is actually that we have a Tory government and that their recent track record on minority/vulnerable groups is hardly to be applauded. He just doesn't believe that the same government that would see disabled people kill themselves over benefit sanctions would support something as ridiculous as letting men simply say they are women and then be treated as such to the detriment of women.

He thinks women are worrying unnecessarily as a result and are becoming transphobic as a result.

He thinks he is just as justified in challenging me over this as he would if I announced my allegience to the EDL.

He just doesn't understand. And I think his position is echoed by a lot of people. The Bill will get passed and the following day "what is..?" will be the top search on google again.

Ive not rtft but won't it also allow girls access into boy only areas of the school?

DC has a friend who is female to male and he has to use girls Loo's (although they aren't 'out' to many people as phobic and negative comments can really fuck up a teenager going through this)

It will. But transpeople having access to the toilet of their preferred gender isn't really the issue.

The issue is predatory men exploiting the issue to perv over/abuse women and girls. So yes, there might well.be some women who would choose to do this, but we don't have as much of an issue with female on male violence and sexual assaults as we do male on female.

And men are already abusing it.

I also don't really understand why a majority of biological females get to be overruled by a handful of transgender and/or other people who insist on access?

I think you need to have a frank discussion with your son about female biology and that female bodies are clearly sexualized and fetishized at the expense of female safety. What is #metoo about? Women and girls want physical privacy and safety. Statistically "people with penises" are much more likely to attack and harass women.

moveable we have. He understands it and gets it. I was really shocked that he was on the other side for this.

He is usually a huge supporter of women's rights - I'm generally really proud of him.

I think he just doesn't understand the bigger picture on this and feels that transwomen are more vulnerable than women.

I think it might be time for another conversation.

I also don't really understand why a majority of biological females get to be overruled by a handful of transgender and/or other people who insist on access?

It's because the people calling for it are men.

Star, my son is 18 too and I've tried having conversations with him about it. He has trans (FtM) friends so just sees me as a transphobe, though I did have to tell him what a TERF was so I don't think he's too entrenched in what's currently happening.

One thing that made him stop and think was about lesbians being branded transphobic because they didn't want lady dick. He's gay so I guess he's got lesbian friends (I'm far too embarrassing to ever be allowed to meet his friends!) and I think that struck home a bit for him when I asked if his friends should want to have sex with someone who was a "woman" with a penis.

Though we then went on to have an argument when his brother with learning disabilities said "he's having a baby" about someone and I was telling him the person in question was a she as men can't have babies. Not according to DS1.

It's weird how can he see the problem with lady penis but not man wombs!

Most of the times I try and talk to him he claims to have not been listening.

Of course he's lucky that this sort of thing wasn't going on when I was a child as no doubt I would be trans as I wanted to be a boy, I was a boy, till my teens. If I'd have heard about puberty blockers, binders, etc, I would have jumped at the chance.

My your son sounds very similar to mine. He has gay/lesbian friends and a couple who are genderqueer. It just all reminds me of being at university and a girl scoffing at me when i said I was straight, like it was the dullest, most pedestrian thing I could be...

Mine is quite vocal about the whole 'lady dick'/lesbian thing but when I asked him why the same people weren't arguing that heterosexual men shouldn't have a problem with the lady dick, he said it was pointless trying to talk to me and walked out of the room.

if your sons are refusing to talk about it: consider this.

When discussing gay son's potential future partner, what the trans lobby are saying is that if he refuses the advances of a transman aka woman, he would be a bigot.

When discussing straight son's future partner, what the tran lobby are saying is that if he refuses the advances of a transwoman aka man, he would be a bigot.

if both lads are ok with that then no worries.

Sparton very good point. I'll try that approach and let you know how it goes!!

It basically makes being gay/straight/lesbian pointless. Everyone is bi, if they say so, or a bigot.