To be worn down (Trans related)

[WillowWept]

Firstly there’ll be a few of you that say IABU for not sticking this in feminism. I make no apology: people need to know this.

The slide attached is from a CPS endorsed school training programme. It’s in schools now

The training supports any boy to access girls’ private spaces, based only on his own self-declared ‘gender identity’ and enforces the idea that to challenge this is a hate crime.

Girls are being taught to ignore their boundaries - the same ones that all parents work so hard to instil so as not to commit a crime. Putting men’s feelings before their physical safety.

We’re setting up our girls for horrific abuse I’m so tired of fighting this.

buttfacedmiscreant

Can you just ignore the toilet issue? Just for one moment? And think about whether you are ok with girls being told their brains are different?

That if they enjoy things that are not stereotypically female (football, electronics, maths) then it’s because they are in fact boys in the wrong bodies and that they should have a mastectomy and sterilise themselves?!

It’s insane!!!

My abuser is now Simone. He wears a dress and he goes in women's changing rooms and toilets. I have seen his FB page. He is a member or Trans rights groups and also feminist groups.

He damaged my body and my soul.
He is a danger to girls and women and I want to tell people but the only people who will believe me are the police officers and the surgeons who repaired me.

Predatory men already gain access to these spaces and have done for a long time.

Yes, but they are currently committing an offence and the women who report them are, in theory, supported.

Yet, if this new bill is passed then he will not be committing an offence whilst the woman who reports them will.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners

I feel it needs to be said again that it is NOT transwomen who are the issue; people who were born as men yet felt they were women, people who have actually transitioned to become women; people who have lived as women for a number of years and wish to live their lives quietly as women, these people are NOT the people that women are concerned about.

The people we are concerned about are the men who will exploit the new law to gain access to aspects of life/society that they currently would have been excluded from for the protection of women. Men who will seek to exploit the new law for the sole purpose of transgressing that protection previously offered to women against men like them.

TRAs are angry that lesbians won't have sex with 'transwomen' because of their penises. Yet I haven't heard a single slur or word of aggression against the heterosexual men who won't have sex with them because of their penises either. I haven't seen or heard of the angry transmen trying to silence men with offensive acronyms. Why?

Why is that?

Concise that is horrific

There is also a Facebook page called 'This never Happens' which is an archive of crimes committed by transwomen/trans identifying males against women, including crimes committed in female spaces.
The US chain store Target has had many problems with voyeurism etc since it declared its women's restrooms/bathrooms were in effect free-for-all.

OP you have put into the exact words how I feel about all this. I don't have any young children of my own now to worry about (DD is 34) but I have an 11 year old DGD,and I really do worry about how all this will affect her in the years to come. It just seems that we are expected to put the 'rights' and wishes of men above everything else,even our daughters' safety and well being. It makes me mad as hell. Whatever men want,they get,is the message here.

YANBU. This pink brain blue brain bullshit is just that, bullshit. Anti-science also.

Someone I knew when I was younger was raped by a man in the women’s toilets of a national trust property. She was 11yo at the time and needed surgery afterwards as was so badly damaged.

Now this person wasn’t trans, but he was a man hanging around in the women’s toilets, hiding in a cubicle, waiting for an opportunity.

He succeeded and yes it could happen again now. But as things currently stand a man going into a women’s toilets is more likely to be challenged if spotted. Sadly in this case he wasn’t spotted. But if gender recognition law comes into act nobody will challenge a man going into a womans toilets. And it could be someone predatory like this person was.

Some great posts on here and an idiot @buttfacedmiscreant

Under siege is a good way to describe it. Every day a little bit more gets chipped away - a changing room, a scholarship, a sporting achievement, a women’s officer role.

But I will fight every day for my daughter’s rights.

Shitting hell. We don't even need to get onto violence, threats, etc - we are telling girls their brains are pink and if they're not pink, they're trans! This is an appallingly regressive stance.

YADNBU

But we all have the power to not use businesses that adopt these policies. I won't use changing rooms in shops where anyone in a dress is allowed in, beards and all. I won't use public facilities either, or take my DDs or GDs into anywhere that does. Our only hope of putting a stop to it is to all pull together and boycott en masse. Women are the majority population after all, by a few % and money talks. We can hope. The whole thing is utter bloody madness.

What does having a 'pink brain' even mean?

That we like sparkly things? Always wear make up? Do our nails? Like shopping? Love puppies and kittens? Drink white wine and pretty coloured cocktails? Wear high heels? Prioritise looking pretty for boys? Are concerned with being ladylike? Keep our knees together when we sit?

OP, fine, how about this?

www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

I'm not posting again on this thread, I have no desire to be insulted on a lazy Sunday morning.

We may all disagree, but why not be civil about it.

as things currently stand a man going into a women’s toilets is more likely to be challenged if spotted.

Exactly.
Yes someone hell bent on abusing a woman or girl isn’t going to let a sign on a door stop him. But a sign on a door showing that this is a female only space will mean that others will question him.

As said above, the one single problem here is male violence.
There are men who will go to all ends to abuse women. Look at the women on here who have men gaslighting them, who have relationships with men who they later realise just want to get to their children, men who train as teachers, priest, scout leaders to be in a position of trust.
These men exist.
They are very far from being all trans women, most trans women are people who just want to live their life.
However saying that to gain unquestioned access to female only safe spaces just involves you saying you identify as female is just serving women and girls up on a plate.

JaneEyre but if it's the law...

It is a frightening time to be a young woman in many ways but I know my teenage DD, who is hugely tolerant and accepting of other's orientations has been shocked by the whole "put your hair in a ponytail and you're a woman" thing. It has allowed us to have some deep conversations about how we accept and embrace difference but challenge the exploiters.

She just hadn't thought it through but when we talked about how she would feel showering after hockey with a late teen boy in the changing room, she blanched.

I sincerely hope that this debate, happening in tandem with all the sexual harassment cases coming to light, will result in a substantial rebuttal from most men and women.

My DH and I were listening to the radio some time ago and the Daily Fail had an ad about a special pull out about Prince George and Princess Charlotte. It described them as 'Mischievous George and his beautiful sister Charlotte'. I made a passing comment about how sexist it was - George has personality and Charlotte is just an ornament, already at 2, or whatever. He was amazed and said how terrible it was and that he wouldn't even have registered that. I don't think I'm a raging feminist - this is how this stuff is perpetuated.

Places in the US that allow trans people in either toilet have not found that crimes have gone up because of it
What about Target?

buttfacedmiscreant

I’ve read and reread my post to you and cannot see how you have possibly concluded I am insulting you

SheRasBra

Unfortunately, my late teen boy is firmly on the other side of the fence to me and quite openly regards me as a terf.

He won't even listen to me or engage with me in a conversation because, as far as he is concerned, I'm an intolerant bigot and he doesn't wish to engage with a transphobe.

At the moment, much of his argument seems to be that there is no chance that men will simply be able to self declare that they are women and that some sort of certification will be required. I've explained to him that that is what is currently in place, and that is what it is proposed will be removed. He says that's an utter nonsense and terf propaganda.

I wonder how many other people like him will see this law being passed without actually realising what it involves.

much of his argument seems to be that there is no chance that men will simply be able to self declare that they are women and that some sort of certification will be required.

Like someone will stop a man in a dress going into a women’s toilet and ask for their certificate?

My son is actually quite politically active too. It's not that he has no interest in politics. He's also quite vocal in support of women; having explained to his peers the importance of consent and that a woman is never responsible for her own rape, etc.

I'm really concerned that if he isn't thinking critcially about it, then many people won't be.