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To be fed up of DSS spoilt behaviour? Very long sorry!

190 replies

Chestnuts2017 · 07/12/2017 15:47

DP and his ex wife split up when his DS was 3, his mother left and moved away and since then DP has had full time custody of his DS.

I came along when DSS was 6 and we instantly hit it off, really lovely little boy and he thought the world of me too.

DP and I are self employed (different businesses) and DP often works long hours, as do I. DP works 7 days a week and I work 6. This initially wasn't a problem because DP is lucky that he has his own place of work (it’s not a shop where members of the public come into by the way),which was just around the corner from his DC's school. DSS couldn't wait to get back from school to go to his dad’s workplace and help out or just mooch around and do his own thing - he loved it which was perfect as DP could keep working, I’d often pop in on my way home to collect him but he was more than happy to stay with his dad helping him out, you couldn’t drag him away!

Here is where grandmother comes in (DP's ex MIL) - she also moved away not long after her daughter left but has recently moved back and wants more time with her grandson – fair enough.

She used to have him once a week after school and one stay overnight on the weekend which was great for DSS and great for us as it meant we could either keep working if we were nearing deadlines or we could just spend some time together in the evening.

Since this arrangement has taken place DSS has expressed his unhappiness of his dad working until gone 6 in the evening and said he should be at home when he gets home like his other friends parents (apparently none of his other friends parents work so that would explain that). He’s decided that he no longer wants to go to his dad’s place of work (the thing that he used to get really excited about!) and that if he does go, he wants paying for it…

DP has explained that he can’t just drop work at 3pm and sit at home in the evening as he wouldn’t have enough money to pay for bills etc, so in light of this DSS has decided that from now on he will go with his grandmother every single night so that DP can work until around 6pm – great arrangement for everyone, or so we thought…
So she will collect him after school, go shopping, buy him the latest gadget, games, or trainers etc and then she will drive him around to his friends’ houses and sit outside in the car and wait for him until he’s ready to leave (yes really!)

DP has asked her not to do this as not only is it not fair on the other kids parents to have someone turning up every night of the week unannounced, but he is now expecting this to happen on a regular basis and if his grandmother cannot have him after school one night he now expects DP to do the same.

She agreed initially but then gives in when she collects DSS – he basically rules the roost when it comes to her. We have also asked her to cut down on the spending as he’s starting to take it for granted, and again she agrees initially but then gives in.

DSS attitude has changed dramatically since this arrangement has taken place – he brags about how loaded his grandmother and her family are and how he can’t wait to inherit it all, he has been given the login details to her online shopping accounts where he can order himself anything he pleases up to a certain value and is just acting completely spoilt!

He is learning not to look after things because “grandma will buy me a new one”
He has a brand new iphone and his grandmother has taken a £40 a month contract out for him so that he has unlimited amounts of minutes, texts, data etc.

When DP and I come home at night we have to do boring adult stuff like cook tea and wash dishes and put clothes in the washing machine. After we have all sat down and had tea (half of which gets wasted because DSS has already eaten something with his grandmother but still wants to eat with us) then we then sit in the living room together and either help DSS with his homework or watch something on TV or play a board game.

(with regards to the meals – I have requested that DSS doesn’t have anything as he’s already eaten but then he gets upset and says he’s being excluded on purpose! So I give him a tiny amount of which still gets wasted…)

Last night DP collected DSS from his grandmothers as usual and when they got home DSS went into the living room and played on his computer game – I started tea and DP started doing the recycling to take out at which point we could hear DSS crying.
DP went in to see what was wrong to which DSS replied he’s fed up of us coming home and doing nothing in the evening

We asked what we “should” be doing in the evening to which he responded going out, going shopping or going for meals!
DP explained that we can’t afford to go out and go shopping all the time and we have to work to pay bills or we can’t have any nice things, to which DSS responded that we should have worked harder to get better jobs so we can have lots of money like his grandmother!

We have explained that we DO work hard but different people have different jobs, we can’t all do the same job and different jobs earn different amounts of money but he has never gone hungry, or gone without and he has always come first which he will accept at that time, but then at least once a week the story will raise its head again.
We have tried to include him in the evenings with things like cooking tea, or helping with doing washing etc so he feels involved but he refuses and said that he expects to be paid for doing things like that and that childhood is all about having fun and not having to do anything like that.

We do set aside time to go out, DP will move work commitments, as will I and we will say we are going out on X day of the month and we will stick to it, however, if DSS decides that he’s changed his mind and doesn’t want to go because his grandmother has offered him a better incentive, then we are expected to drop the plans and not go out – if we do go out then there’s holy hell to pay the next day when DSS finds out! We get accused of purposely excluding him – DP favouring time with me over time with DSS etc .

So I suggested that just the two of them spend time together, so again once a month DP will move his commitments and take DS out either to the cinema or for a meal, but again this doesn’t seem enough for DSS.

I'm getting really fed up of his behaviour of late, he's stressing the both of us out but I don't know what to do/say and neither does DP. Everytime DP has a word, his DS just gets really upset saying he wishes he had never been born and he's too much of an inconvenience to his dad etc which absolutely breaks DPs heart.

Christmas is coming and he's given us a list of REALLY expensive items he expects to have, we have explained that we can’t afford half of them on the list to which he responds “fine – ill get my grandma to buy them then because I know she will”
AIBU to think that if this doesn't get nipped in the bud its going to get worse and worse

What would YOU do if this was happening to you? We obviously can’t stop him spending time with his grandmother and we can’t stop her spending money on him but something needs to be said to DSS but I’m not sure what or even how to approach it!

OP posts:
Ceesadoo · 08/12/2017 18:35

He is 8 years old and has this much power over things? Oh my goodness.

Ceesadoo · 08/12/2017 18:37

Cannot believe his grandmother has bought him an iPhone & is paying the contract for an 8 year old boy. Goodness knows what he can access online. Also he is 8 years old. Surely you as parents should have power, not him. He needs to fall in line and fast.

Lizzie48 · 08/12/2017 19:14

With self employment - even if you're incredibly busy - it should be possible to carve out a few hours to spend with your own DC, more than once a month.

This 100%. Children do need their parents to give them quality time, certainly more than once a month.

PegLegAntoine · 08/12/2017 19:38

Reading the thread I thought he would be about twelve. That is seriously spoilt behaviour and manipulative comments from such a young child. Changing the childcare setup should help

CupOfFrothyCoffee · 08/12/2017 21:53

This is so easily sorted. Stop letting your DSS make all the decisions of where and what happens. Take control, tell Granny her time with DSS will be reduced(I would stop contact completely for a while) and any expensive gifts she buys him will be returned(excluding Christmas and Birthday presents). Stop pandering to this child and take control.

rookiemere · 08/12/2017 23:26

Yes god forbid DSS should get to spend any time with the one person who actually seems to want to care for him.

If you cut out DGran without having a very clear strategy on how DSS can get some appropriate parenting from his actual parent, then I suspect things will get worse rather than better.

OhThisbloodyComputer · 08/12/2017 23:48

Poor kid. That must really hurt.

I imagine if you're 8 years old and shunted around between your dad step mum, it might have an effect on you.

Plus he's learned that the only way he has any influence is through manipulation. So perhaps in his desperation for attention, he is developing those skills.

Personally, I think the partisan interventions of random strangers on Mumsnet will probably do more harm than good.

Why not seek professional advice?

cherryontopp · 09/12/2017 00:19

I cant believe people are saying "poor kid"

He knows exactly what hes doing. His grandma is letting him be a spoilt little shit and over compensating her daughters absence.
As soon as hes father says anything to him, hes being manipulative and guilt trips him.
My parents worked and i never turned out like this. You need to cut down on the contact with his grandma and give her ground rules.
Your stepson needs ground rules as well, hes been dictating far too much. Every evening to be centred around him? That's narcisstic and unrealistic!
You need to nip this in the bud now.

jaimelannistersgoldenhand · 09/12/2017 08:45

I feel sorry for the boy.

His mum has abandoned him.
His Dad works 7 days a week.
The adults in his life (gran, stepmum and father) give into his emotional blackmail instead of having boundaries and parenting him thus creating future problems.
His Gran tries to buy his affection (this is not going to help him feel more secure and will create future problems)
He's given too much power over things that are adult decision (which is storing problems for the future)

Basically the child needs the adults in his life to be in control and help him deal with the hand that he's been dealt with.

OhThisbloodyComputer · 09/12/2017 09:21

@cherryontopp

I accept your criticism, so I just re-read the thread.

He does seem an amazingly articulate child, for an 8 year old. His other friends don't have parents who work, apparently, and yet he has an expectation that childhood should be about receiving lots of presents and having a generally idyllic time. He sounds like a politician in the making.

He seems to have quite impressive talents for manipulation and guilt projection. Seems very demanding and assertive for an 8 year old.

But, I notice there is no recognition of any human qualities in the description of this boy who is, let's not forget, 8 years old. The poster expresses no sympathy for this kid at all, that's what worries me.

They seem to have time to go on Mumsnet, but not to talk to the kid.

The grandma is described like another cartoon baddie, with no redeeming qualities. She must have some good side to her, or she wouldn't be giving the kid the love and attention he's being distorted by.

Surely, it's not difficult to nip childish behaviour in the bud, by refusing to give in to their demands. He's an 8 year old. He's powerless. He's in no position to negotiate terms.

Obviously I don't know the family, but I find it hard to believe he's the omnipotent Dr Evil described in the original post.

I agree that the mobile phone is a bad idea. Those things should come with a government health warning. They're like nicotine for the young mind. There are all kinds of devious addiction inducing tricks that the app developers use, which elicit unconscious responses from the mobile user's brains. (Good grief. Imagine being the person that programmes these poisonous applications.)

This is quite a sad case really. Surely they need professional help, rather than amateurs like me on Mumsnet.

OhThisbloodyComputer · 09/12/2017 09:23

@jaimelannistersgoldenhand

What a brilliant answer!

MarmiteandToast · 09/12/2017 09:46

OP, sounds like a nightmare, good luck!

OP has said several times they do make time for DSS, and that until recently he was helpful and upbeat. OP has also said they have a huge debt to pay hence all the hours. Is it better they get further into debt and child has no food/roof over his head?

It sounds like he is behaving v badly and using grandma's resources to hurt and manipulate parents, but I think kids can be difficult and hopefully it is a phase

Agree a family meeting should happen to try and get some control!

rookiemere · 09/12/2017 10:06

I like those who have suggested getting some professional intervention or advice.That does seem sensible.

I just feel that those who say that their parents worked hard when they were young and they turned out fine are missing the point somewhat. Did their DM leave them when they were 3 ? Did their DF and SM work 6-7 days a week and have no time for them? Did their DGM confuse material love for real love?

It’s a complicated situation and logically it feels like it must have a more nuanced solution than expecting DSS to snap into line.

Cagliostro · 10/12/2017 13:10

I agree about the iPhone. If he's accessing online stuff like social media it could be contributing to his general dissatisfaction.

I also agree about the childcare - if he's sent to after school club he can't exactly refuse the teachers can he. But make sure the club knows that his gran does not have permission to collect him early as I bet she would!

Coyoacan · 10/12/2017 14:42

I don't see any omnipotent Mr Evil being described in the first post. He sounds a bit like my dd when she was small, one minute complaining about my work, the next minute complaining that we couldn't afford things.

As for manipulative, again isn't that quite normal in a child that age? They are testing out ways to get what they want. Of course if you throw into the mix people feeling sorry for him or guilty about his mother having left, you could create a monster in the long term.

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