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To be fed up of DSS spoilt behaviour? Very long sorry!

190 replies

Chestnuts2017 · 07/12/2017 15:47

DP and his ex wife split up when his DS was 3, his mother left and moved away and since then DP has had full time custody of his DS.

I came along when DSS was 6 and we instantly hit it off, really lovely little boy and he thought the world of me too.

DP and I are self employed (different businesses) and DP often works long hours, as do I. DP works 7 days a week and I work 6. This initially wasn't a problem because DP is lucky that he has his own place of work (it’s not a shop where members of the public come into by the way),which was just around the corner from his DC's school. DSS couldn't wait to get back from school to go to his dad’s workplace and help out or just mooch around and do his own thing - he loved it which was perfect as DP could keep working, I’d often pop in on my way home to collect him but he was more than happy to stay with his dad helping him out, you couldn’t drag him away!

Here is where grandmother comes in (DP's ex MIL) - she also moved away not long after her daughter left but has recently moved back and wants more time with her grandson – fair enough.

She used to have him once a week after school and one stay overnight on the weekend which was great for DSS and great for us as it meant we could either keep working if we were nearing deadlines or we could just spend some time together in the evening.

Since this arrangement has taken place DSS has expressed his unhappiness of his dad working until gone 6 in the evening and said he should be at home when he gets home like his other friends parents (apparently none of his other friends parents work so that would explain that). He’s decided that he no longer wants to go to his dad’s place of work (the thing that he used to get really excited about!) and that if he does go, he wants paying for it…

DP has explained that he can’t just drop work at 3pm and sit at home in the evening as he wouldn’t have enough money to pay for bills etc, so in light of this DSS has decided that from now on he will go with his grandmother every single night so that DP can work until around 6pm – great arrangement for everyone, or so we thought…
So she will collect him after school, go shopping, buy him the latest gadget, games, or trainers etc and then she will drive him around to his friends’ houses and sit outside in the car and wait for him until he’s ready to leave (yes really!)

DP has asked her not to do this as not only is it not fair on the other kids parents to have someone turning up every night of the week unannounced, but he is now expecting this to happen on a regular basis and if his grandmother cannot have him after school one night he now expects DP to do the same.

She agreed initially but then gives in when she collects DSS – he basically rules the roost when it comes to her. We have also asked her to cut down on the spending as he’s starting to take it for granted, and again she agrees initially but then gives in.

DSS attitude has changed dramatically since this arrangement has taken place – he brags about how loaded his grandmother and her family are and how he can’t wait to inherit it all, he has been given the login details to her online shopping accounts where he can order himself anything he pleases up to a certain value and is just acting completely spoilt!

He is learning not to look after things because “grandma will buy me a new one”
He has a brand new iphone and his grandmother has taken a £40 a month contract out for him so that he has unlimited amounts of minutes, texts, data etc.

When DP and I come home at night we have to do boring adult stuff like cook tea and wash dishes and put clothes in the washing machine. After we have all sat down and had tea (half of which gets wasted because DSS has already eaten something with his grandmother but still wants to eat with us) then we then sit in the living room together and either help DSS with his homework or watch something on TV or play a board game.

(with regards to the meals – I have requested that DSS doesn’t have anything as he’s already eaten but then he gets upset and says he’s being excluded on purpose! So I give him a tiny amount of which still gets wasted…)

Last night DP collected DSS from his grandmothers as usual and when they got home DSS went into the living room and played on his computer game – I started tea and DP started doing the recycling to take out at which point we could hear DSS crying.
DP went in to see what was wrong to which DSS replied he’s fed up of us coming home and doing nothing in the evening

We asked what we “should” be doing in the evening to which he responded going out, going shopping or going for meals!
DP explained that we can’t afford to go out and go shopping all the time and we have to work to pay bills or we can’t have any nice things, to which DSS responded that we should have worked harder to get better jobs so we can have lots of money like his grandmother!

We have explained that we DO work hard but different people have different jobs, we can’t all do the same job and different jobs earn different amounts of money but he has never gone hungry, or gone without and he has always come first which he will accept at that time, but then at least once a week the story will raise its head again.
We have tried to include him in the evenings with things like cooking tea, or helping with doing washing etc so he feels involved but he refuses and said that he expects to be paid for doing things like that and that childhood is all about having fun and not having to do anything like that.

We do set aside time to go out, DP will move work commitments, as will I and we will say we are going out on X day of the month and we will stick to it, however, if DSS decides that he’s changed his mind and doesn’t want to go because his grandmother has offered him a better incentive, then we are expected to drop the plans and not go out – if we do go out then there’s holy hell to pay the next day when DSS finds out! We get accused of purposely excluding him – DP favouring time with me over time with DSS etc .

So I suggested that just the two of them spend time together, so again once a month DP will move his commitments and take DS out either to the cinema or for a meal, but again this doesn’t seem enough for DSS.

I'm getting really fed up of his behaviour of late, he's stressing the both of us out but I don't know what to do/say and neither does DP. Everytime DP has a word, his DS just gets really upset saying he wishes he had never been born and he's too much of an inconvenience to his dad etc which absolutely breaks DPs heart.

Christmas is coming and he's given us a list of REALLY expensive items he expects to have, we have explained that we can’t afford half of them on the list to which he responds “fine – ill get my grandma to buy them then because I know she will”
AIBU to think that if this doesn't get nipped in the bud its going to get worse and worse

What would YOU do if this was happening to you? We obviously can’t stop him spending time with his grandmother and we can’t stop her spending money on him but something needs to be said to DSS but I’m not sure what or even how to approach it!

OP posts:
RadioGaGoo · 07/12/2017 16:24

I spent the afternoons with my father at his company, which was a garage. We fixed cars together. It was a fantastic bond.

Blackteadrinker77 · 07/12/2017 16:25

Personally I'd stop using Grandma as his child care and actually use a child minder where he will be around other children and have activities to do.

He needs proper budgets set as well. My children had a £300 limit for Christmas. £200 they could make a list with and £100 we would spend on surprises. They also had a £20 a month budget for odds and ends, once it has gone tough until the next month.

It worked well for us and my children now in their 20s are doing well financially.

RedSkyAtNight · 07/12/2017 16:26

When does DSS actually spend time with you or his dad? The immediate obvious fix would be for you to leave jobs until DSS is in bed. The fact that DSS wants to eat tea with you, when he's already eaten screams that he wants to do something with you!

Yes, lot of parents work till 6 and have their children in childcare, but they prioritise spending time with their DC after they pick them up and at weekends. DSS sounds like he's at the bottom of everything else.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 07/12/2017 16:29

Children do need more attention as they get older. It's harder with an only child as they do need more entertainment and get lonely and bored. The answer is to make it possible for him to meet other children his own age after school . Would he enjoy a weekend sports club? Doesn't have to be football. Or Swimming lessons, or cubs or a drama group.
Some of these comments sound like GM has fed them to him, so you need to be blunt with her and cut down the amount of time a week if you don't want her to be an overwhelming influence, but really she's doing a lot of free childcare for you isn't she? You both need to schedule family outing time, so he can't complain. Why not invite his friends round after school?

ItsAllABitStrangeReally · 07/12/2017 16:32

You need after school childcare asap...

Viviennemary · 07/12/2017 16:36

I think the child is just feeling neglected. The two people with the responsibility for looking after him are at work nearly all the time. There has to be a balance. The Father is working 7 days a week so doesn't even have a day at the weekend free for his child. You need to re-assess this. His grandmother is making up to him for his parents lack of being there by buying him stuff. This isn't ideal I agree. But you need to look at your set up.

CeciliaBartolli · 07/12/2017 16:36

I personally think it was fine for him to go and help his Dad and have his company, nothing nicer than working together.
Grandmother sounds a total doormat/menace. She is obviously bloody lonely and completely besotted with her Grandson.
Sits in car and waits for him??? What a complete twat.
It all sounds very unhealthy; what with your lack of time and his confusion and her spoiling of him.
Are you very high achievers? Because the two of you working such long hours is a bit rough? Can't you under-achieve for a bit and get together as a family?
Also dear little SS is using Grandma as a stick to beat you with.
I would disallow her contact to be so all consuming. She does sounds nuts to me tbh.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 07/12/2017 16:37

It’s sounds like he is sad not spoilt and he’s equating joy with material possessions to make up for the lack of time and attentions spent on him.

Tsundoku · 07/12/2017 16:39

This is really sad. I know most of us get used to our own family set-ups and routines, so you stop noticing things outsiders would, but it does seem particularly oblivious to write out all those concerns about DSS being spoiled when he so obviously wants some decent time with a parent.

His birth mother has moved away and his Dad spends one day with him a month (subject to arrangement, advance clearance of his commitments etc).

He might have found it exciting or a privilege to spend time with his Dad at work once, but now he's older and sounds increasingly aware that this is a convenience, not a treat; he exists there on the margins of his father's attention. No wonder he's getting a warped idea of values from his new caregiver.

eenymeenymaccaracca · 07/12/2017 16:44

Grandma probably feels bad that the kid doesn't see his mum (Grandma's daughter). So she indulges the kid in an effort to make up for this.

Doggymum88 · 07/12/2017 16:44

I always thought a pro of being self employed was more flexibility with hours.

It sounds from the initial post that money is quite tight (you mentioned DSS is well looked after but there isn't money spare for meals out etc).

With your DP working 7 days a week and you 6 days, would you be better off working more regular hours? You would get 2 incomes still but have more time to spend as a family.

eenymeenymaccaracca · 07/12/2017 16:46

Although Grandma wouldn't be able to move in like this if the poor kid wasn't living in a massive attention vacuum.

waterrat · 07/12/2017 16:47

He needs child appropriate activities after school - its natural he wants to go to friends houses for example Im not sure why he is being told off for that?

Yes his grandmother sounds as though she is spoiling him but ita up to his dad to find appropriate after school care. After school club or swaps with other parents so he has time to play.

Its pretty unusual to hear of a dad working 7 days a week - if the boy doesn't have his mum its really important that he is parented properly.

You and his dad need to take a massive step towards really being more involved with this boys life and if you arent happy with the grandma make some changes to your work and childcare set up.

waterrat · 07/12/2017 16:49

Act now or when he is a teenager his dad is not going to be able to control his sons behaviour. Could your husband drop his hours back for a while to sort things out with his son? Working 7 days does he have anything regular he does with him like play football go to the park etc?

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/12/2017 16:49

He clearly just wants to do something, anything with his parents

OP has already said that they plan special days out, and go to a lot of trouble to have free time to do this, but that if DSS gets a better ofer from "Sugar Granny" he won't go out with them - and worse, expects them to sit in and wait for him coming home - they aren't allowed to go on their own.

He will no longer play family games, watch TV with them etc. Sugar Granny is buying his love and ruining his character in the process. I'm sure that SG is also stirring things up with regard to his natural mother, who appears to have little or nothing to do with him as his dad has full custody.

Almost all children go through workieticket phases when they reach puberty - they are bloody hard work! But they need consistency from everyone in the family, and that includes the SG.

I agree with a PP who suggested that if she was n't prepared to treat him as his parents (and I include OP as a parent) want, then contact will be drastically curtailed.

Be prepared for fireworks from DSS.

Love51 · 07/12/2017 16:51

After school club. Yes, it costs money. And you have to pick up on time. Plus side of that is that the dad will actually get to see his kid.

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 07/12/2017 16:52

Wow his dad has really copped out on the childcare front. I’m a single parent so I get that it’s hard to pay for childcare but you just have to. If he is happy to have free childcare from granny then he doesn’t get to complain that she spoils her grandson. He either pays for proper childcare so he can calls the shots or he cuts his workload and locks after the child himself.

Chestnuts2017 · 07/12/2017 16:55

I forgot to add this part but not on purpose.

Originally before grandma came back on the scene he went to after school club after a week decided he hated it and refused to go back.

Then he started going to a friends house whose mother was also a child minder but after 2 weeks said she was being nasty to him and never went back

Then he started going to another friends house but after a week decided he would rather go to his dad's workshop and make things.

His dad never ignored him he would actively involve him in making things which DSS loved and if he couldn't help with a particular project he would make his own which again he loved!

It's not like we don't spend any time together we spend every single evening doing something with him like playing games or watching his favourite film but again he feels we should be going out buying things not staying in the house

We have suggested after school activities but he refuses we have tried getting him involved in things over the summer but again he refuses he just wants to go shopping and have the latest thing.

We aren't neglectful we are just trying to pay off a massive debt that his ex left him with.

OP posts:
Atenco · 07/12/2017 16:57

we have to work to pay bills or we can’t have any nice things

I think you are also giving him the message that love is expressed in things. I know times are hard, but you are both working very long hours for parents. Are you just barely scraping by with the amount you work?

user1493413286 · 07/12/2017 16:58

It’s hard to know what’s best for your DSD without knowing his age and I know you say that you can’t stop him seeing his grandmother but I do think you should limit his time with her to once a week and then arrange some childcare the other days or do a mixture of days at his dads work and an after school club etc.
The grandmother is not keeping to the boundaries you’ve requested and it doesn’t sound like that’s going to change.
I also think your DP needs to adjust his work so he’s at least spending a day with his son a week. He’s already not seeing his mum so the hard truth is that his dad has to work extra hard to meet those emotional needs.

CeciliaBartolli · 07/12/2017 17:01

I feel bloody sorry for you tbh. I just think you will have to talk to the Grandma and limit contact.

BarbarianMum · 07/12/2017 17:03

Occasional days out are no substitute for actually parenting a child. He sounds unhappy and insecure and this is coming out as complaints and demands. And why on earth would you agree to him ducking out of family days out when you see so little of him?

BarbarianMum · 07/12/2017 17:06

Meant to add. I have w boys and have always done the lion's share of child care as dh worjs long hours. Whilst they were little that was fine but noe they are growing up they need their dad more, not less, so dh is having to do all sorts of juggling with work to make that happen. The fact that your dss' mum has abandoned him will make his connection with his df much more important anyway.

crazycatgal · 07/12/2017 17:07

Can you tell us how old he is? Quite a few people have asked and its quite important when deciding how to deal with what's going on.

Atenco · 07/12/2017 17:10

Could you help him to find a hobby? I find that having a passion for an art or a sport really combats materialism, which is only a way of trying fill a void.