The erosion of women

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I know, I know 'not another Trans thread' BUT, I am truly interested in people's opinions on this - I was always of the thought that I don't really care how anyone expresses themselves, carry on as you wish and I do still think this to varying degrees but I am concerned about the Trans agenda moving forwards and the erosion of women and reading through Twitter I found the following articles attached to this tweet:

I'm not personally interested in breastfeeding or giving birth. But the #terf assumption that these abilities are "biologically" reserved for AFAB is just one thing: wrong.

www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/health/uterus-transplant-baby.html

www.thestranger.com/queer-issue-2017/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter

Now, I found the second article creepy - particularly where they mention that they 'got off' on breastfeeding and I'm not entirely sure how factual it actually is but it's scary that people are using this to prove how defunct 'ciswomen' (I HATE this term) are?

I don't like the rewriting history bit.

At least in ye olden days of written history books, facts and figures were written down and kept. These days with Wiki being updated on a daily basis, it's possible to rewrite anything.

Deadnaming is bollocks. Why be ashamed of the name you used to have? Why hide it (unless you want to hide something you have done under that name).

Call yourself George or Georgina, I don't care, but don't rewrite history to pretend George never existed. Because that makes me suspicious as to what George did that Georgina doesn't want us to find out about

GetMeOut This is Chloe Jennings

Sorry it's a DM article, but I wanted to highlight the quote "Psychiatrist: 'Is it better pretending to use a wheelchair or commit suicide".

It sounds very like "is it better pretending to be a man/woman or commit suicide".

Hahaha that Chloe Jennings article.

She says 'I live like a disabled person'

A bit further down,

'She sometimes has to get out of her chair to walk up stairs or get into a car'

So no, she doesn't live her life as a disabled person does she. Oh and she also skis. Fucking hell, you couldn't make it up.

People do realise that there are transwomen out there who find the statement 'transwomen are women' to be deeply offensive and in some cases, distressing?

I did not chose to be born a woman. I am a woman. I was born with a uterus. I was born with natural capability to give birth to my babies vaginally and to breastfeed them.

How. Fucking. Dare. A. Man. Tell. Me. I. Am. Fucking. Overrating. Myself. And. My. Fucking. Biological. Fucking. Ability. To. Do. These. Things. How. Fucking. Dare. He.

Just had to google ‘TERF’.

LOL at the idea that women who think men in make up and dresses aren’t real women is “radical”.

As I repeat often on here. Sex is biological and immutable. Gender is a societal construct. Adopt whatever gender you want. But that doesn’t make you a woman.

And what proves that even Trans activists innately know this is that the word “transsexual” has almost entirely been replaced by “transgender”, which is effectively meaningless.

Transwomen are transwomen. Fact.

They deserve to be treated with respect and legislation developed that protects their rights in employment, healthcare. etc.

However they do not deserve a free pass into womens' hard won spaces such as womens' refuges. The trans community needs to work for these places for themselves, ones which are geared around transwomens' unique issues and circumstances.

Oh, and I am a woman and not a ciswoman.

You're talking about gender and presentation here, not sex

Semantics.

She sometimes has to get out of her chair to walk up stairs or get into a car’. So no, she doesn't live her life as a disabled person does she.

My daughter gets out of her wheelchair to get into a car or walk up steps. Is she not disabled? Because her team of doctors and therapists would be really interested in that.

actually no not reasoned enough. The issue is the discrimination women face due to trans women having more rights to women only spaces. And women's sports

No argument will ever be reasoned enough for you. And frankly the more I read the more ridiculous att this is.

"You're talking about gender and presentation here, not sex

Semantics."

That's not a response. Well it's not one with any actual meaning or point. Clearly biology is not semantics. A person can present how they like and perform whatever gender role they like, without changing sex.

Original does your daughter have the ability to not be disabled, should she choose to be? That's the point that's being made.

I don't have a prostate gland but all trans women do, unless they have had it removed due to prostate cancer. Removal of the prostate gland can lead to severe incontinence, which of course is highly distressing.

Trans women have specific diseases that specific to men. Biologically they are men. I have no problem with trans women at all, but the reality is there, especially when it comes to health issues.

Saying trans women are women is ridiculous. Clearly they are not.

original

How cab someome change sex?

Webare talking about genetic/chromosomal level.

That's like saying you can change someone's biological father after the conception. You just can't.

Please limk to a scientific fact that confirms you can alter your sex way beyond surgically changing the presentation of your body.

Woman is not a costume. It's a fact of life. Of it was possible to change sex don't you think all those children married off, or all those women in prison for miscarriages would have done it?

So original what you are saying is that gender is a universal truth that cannot be critiqued, refuted or questioned, but that biological sex is dodgy ground, 'semantics', a grey area?

Wow, how did we get to this point?

Sentimentallentil, 'tis true, men do have milk glands, they can get breast cancer and they can (very rarely, usually due to prolactin producing tumours) lactate.

Yes. Breastfeeding should be taken out of the male-female equation, because breasts are not genitals. They are secondary characters like beards.
Men can lactate and it wouldn't be such a bad thing if more men were prepared to do it. Although it could affect their sexual performance, (I'm not sure, I'd have to look it up) in which case maybe 6 months of not pestering lactating tired women wouldn't be such a bad thing.

And actually we would all accept a reasoned factual argument
One that didn't involve "I feel ...." or stereotypes about hair and make up.

Where is this scientific proof you can alter every cell in your body to a point which would temporarily mean you didn't even exist and 're boot as a completely different person.

Where is this scientific proof you can alter every cell in your body to a point which would temporarily mean you didn't even exist and 're boot as a completely different person.*

Hmm.
Being male or female is not a completely different person. Herein lies the issue.

Trans women are women. Reassuring that at least some people on here share that opinion. All the recent rampant transphobia on here is really off-putting

Trans women are women.
Reassuring that at least some people on here share that opinion.

Opinions aside, what is it that makes a trans woman a woman?

But what does being a woman mean WidowWadman?

I'm not trans phobic nor am I a bigot. Please keep slurs to yourself. I for one would not consider you of less intellect or stupid because you deny the reality of biology. No more than I would consider someone who believed in a big fairy in the sky of less intellect or stupid.

Trans women are not women. FFS.

No argument will ever be reasoned enough for you

Anyone who answers ''semantics' to the question below has obviously run out of reasoned arguments

"You're talking about gender and presentation here, not sex

Which is a shame as many people on here would like to hear reasoned arguments

If they both want to breastfeed that's their choice, it's not my business. The only thing that really bothers me about this article is this;

"I used to joke that my transition was a success when my dysphoria was replaced with the standard-issue body hate that comes with being a woman. "

So flippant towards a massive issue. Struggling with your image as a girl then a woman is not a badge of honour. I'm aware dysphoria comes with a whole heap of similar issues, neither are something to make jokes and laugh about.

I have a problem with all of this.

1. It's mysoginistic
2. It's erasing gay people, or at least cementing a hierarchy that masculine lesbians are the lowest of the low and so should become men in order to sort it out, yet they are still subject to that hierarchy
3. It puts women at a disadvantage again (see men winning women's awards, see men winning women's sports fixtures, see men being supported in having access to women-only spaces)
4. It's women, yet again, having to shut up and be quiet while men do their thing
5. It's the obvious matter of biology. Penis =\= female. Ever.
6. I am not a cis woman. I am a woman. I don't need a prefix to make my sex status less confusing. It's not confusing at all.

And because of the above I'm a TERF?