In not wanting to be a feminist

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I know I’m not alone as have had this conversation with friends but does anyone else feel PC stuff is just going too far now. The gender stuff is confusing me - I’m female always have been always will be and perfectly happy that way I don’t want to identify whatever that means with anything else and change my mind or whatever the gender fluid thing is ( that really confuses me) I’m mum to a daughter - who when younger was a pink, princess, Barbie loving frilly dress wearing child. I loved her wearing pretty dresses and wanting pretty hair. I’ve always worked in female dominated jobs - through choice no one forced me from being little I wanted to be cabin crew, my parents would have preferred me to be a solicitor, accountant or doctor like my siblings but supported my decision to go into the beauty industry because that’s what I was happy doing.
When I was younger I was whistled at in the street, had my bum pinched in nightclubs etc I wasn’t offended or outraged.

I don’t want to live in a genderless world, I don’t want my teenage daughter being in gender neutral changing rooms, I don’t even like being referred to as someone’s partner I’m quite happy being called his girlfriend.

I don’t want to offend anyone with my probably old fashioned views - I’m not even old! But I’m getting fed up of constantly hearing and reading about what I should think and believe, i mean the latest fuss about Sleeping beauty ..... what will pc brigade want to ban next?

I'm also fascinated by asmuch. How can someone live in the modern day and believe conviction rates for rape are high and that men and women are 'now equal'.

So you have brought up children who don't vote and who think that women should only work until they have children?

Impertinent question alert-do you belong to a particular religious faith?

@CherryChasingDotMuncher but the law is that men and women have to be paid the same for the same job so that point is irrelevant - that part of feminism has achieved it's aim. Ditto with the rape example you gave, the law changed years and years ago to make rape within marriage illegal. So feminism has achieved that. With the proviso that I live in the UK and I am talking about the situation here as I don't know what the law is in other places (and before you ask, I give to Christian Aid and I sponsor a child. I do know there are issues in other countries, but I believe those are systemic societyal (sp?) issues for those countries, and not to do with feminism)

So, just to clarify, you believe men are superior to women? You say you don't want to be equal which seems to imply you see yourself as inferior?

People choose how to live their lives. Work, not work it is your choice.But fundamentally, all human beings are equal. Or not in your view?

@CherryChasingDotMuncher I never said anything about the rate of conviction for rapes. You have made that up. As you have made up that I said men and women were equal - they aren't, of course they aren't they are very very different. I said, equal under the law.

@BertrandRussell I have a strong faith, if that is what you are asking.

asmuch

I posted a report from the UN upthread which rather proves the work of feminism is not “done”.

Why do you think it is?

@loveka I didn't say men were superior, I said I don't want to be equal. That is not really the same thing - in some areas, men are better (superior if that is the word you want to use) and in others, women are.

Sorry it's hard to keep up with answering everyone.

I expect my daughters will work until they get married and have a family

What if they didn’t want to give up work?

asmuch and when your sons marry, will you expect their wives to give up work? Will they?

Do you have friends? Do your friends vote and work? Do you live in the UK? Are you protected financially - ie if your husband left you what would you do for money?

asmuch if, heaven forbid, your daughter decides to work even with children, how would you feel if she was sacked because she was pregnant? Or paid less than a male colleague? Or forced to have an abortion? Or what if her husband beat her and she needed to be in a women's shelter?

These rights for women are fought for by feminists. If they stopped fighting these things would likely cease. So feminism is very relevant, more so than ever IMO

I didn't say men were superior, I said I don't want to be equal

I don't understand that sentence.

No, sorry, if you don't think you are equal to men then that means you think men are better, or 'more than', you.

@CherryChasingDotMuncher I would support my daughter but do you understand that all those things are illegal and the job of feminism, as I see it, is done over those things. I suppose I disagree with you saying "if they stopped fighting these things would likely cease". I don't agree with that statement.

@LassWiTheDelicateAir if they wanted to work then that is up to them I will look after any grandchildren if I am asked to.

@Pumperthepumper that is up to my sons and their wives or potential wives to sort out for themselves. As I said, I will look after any grandchildren if I am asked but I believe that the job of feminism over these things is finished the laws have been changed to be equal already. Yes I have friends what an odd question. Some vote, some don't. Yes I am protected financially although that is an odd question since myself and my husband share everything equally. We have a joint account and always have had and my name is on the deeds of the house (is that what you mean?)

@loveka men are not equal to women and women are not equal to men. Equal means the same as, and men and women are not the same.

These rights for women are fought for by feminists. If they stopped fighting these things would likely cease. So feminism is very relevant, more so than ever IMO

I sort of see where asmuchuseas is coming from as I don't agree that if feminists stopped fighting these rights would be taken away- certainly not in a UK or western European context.

The rest of what she is saying has me boggled however.

asmuchuseasachocolatefireguard I know what you mean. I am no where equal to him when it comes to fixing the car. However, I do not think he is superior to me in any way. Why others do not see this is beyond me.

Oh I see. Equality in the sense we are discussing is slightly different. It means equal standing in society.

Just like black and white people are not the same. One is black, one white. But should have equality in society.

Anyhow, you are a lost cause. So you crack on.

men are not equal to women and women are not equal to men. Equal means the same as, and men and women are not the same

"Equal" in a political and legal sense does not mean what you think it means.

I am no where equal to him when it comes to fixing the car. However, I do not think he is superior to me in any way. Why others do not see this is beyond me

That is not what equality means legally, socially, economically or politically.

Oh this is too awful. To have such low expectations of life. To not vote. To think women are destined for the kitchen sink because that's what they're good at. Can this be real?! (I really hope not)

Asmuch-are your views on men and women and on voting informed by your faith?

At the risk of being accused of ‘mansplaining’ but are you all aware asmuch is clearly trolling?

LassWiTheDelicateAir I suspect that you're correct. However, I think this is what Asmuch means.

I think you’re right Manc. She joined today...