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To leave DH over ruined underwear?

583 replies

Sprinklestar · 18/11/2017 20:16

Ok, sounds dramatic, right?
But... We have been together years, known each other forever. Today, yet again, he washed my hand wash only underwear in the machine and ruined it. I have lost count of the number of times he has done this.
It is just such a waste and will need replacing. We must have had this scenario every year for the past ten.
It's like that thing on the internet about the man whose wife left him over a cup left on the side, its the constant drip drip drip effect and never learning.
I can't stand his incompetence anymore. How hard is it to check a label? And not mess with the stuff in the separate handwash only basket?!
I am so angry.

OP posts:
EmilyChambers79 · 20/11/2017 11:45

Only because you keep calling an apple a banana

Yes dear.

MrsHathaway · 20/11/2017 11:46

Let’s say he accidentally put the wrong type of fuel in the car and ended up with an expensive bill. Would those pp still think it was normal and understandable for him to repeat that mistake YEARLY for 10 YEARS? Of course not.

I think that's a great analogy. Fairly easily done once but only once.

Lweji · 20/11/2017 11:47

Condescendence doesn't make you right. You can dear me all you like. You're still wrong. In many ways.

mybestfriendisadog · 20/11/2017 11:48

it's enlivening to find that there are so many people that would ditch the parent of their kids over being (really) bad at one particular chore.

Some people are a bit slapdash - they just are, especially on things like chores that usually don't have to be done to high standards. It is hard to understand if you're not one of those types.

Lweji I made it clear that only the Op knows whether she suspects her DH is abusive and doing it deliberately.

brabenot · 20/11/2017 11:51

Smile and nod, Smile and nod, just like I've learnt to do with dh. I'm now going to nick some chocs from the xmas quality street. Here I go Smile and nod, Smile and nod. Dh will be having me locked up in a minute Grin Bye guys and good luck OP in whatever you decide to do.FlowersWine

fuzzywuzzy · 20/11/2017 11:52

Also ruining underwear come a year it’s like he waits till the underwear is all replaced then ruins it once she finally has it all replaced.

NamasteNiki · 20/11/2017 12:00

Op go to a solicitor. Have a divorce done for property damage with malicious intent and coercive behaviour.

See if it gets granted.

Im all ears.

53rdWay · 20/11/2017 12:06

Marriage counselling might be a good idea if he wants to fix the problem, but given that the problem is he doesn’t listen it’s going to be tricky getting him to, er, listen.

Lweji · 20/11/2017 12:08

Lweji I made it clear that only the Op knows whether she suspects her DH is abusive and doing it deliberately.

Actually, only he knows. What she knows is that he has repeatedly damaged her belongings.
Unless he's just as careless with his stuff, either he doesn't care about her stuff (and her) or he's doing it on purpose. Neither is a good thing in a marriage.

Op go to a solicitor. Have a divorce done for property damage with malicious intent and coercive behaviour. See if it gets granted.

It is. All the OP has to do is want to divorce. The grounds are really irrelevant.

brabenot · 20/11/2017 12:15

OP if you're still watching and have read Namaste 12.00, just smile and nod. As my old grandma used to say "more to be pitied than blamed". Anyway, I just came back to say that I'm feeling a lot better today so I've asked dh to take me to lunch and drinks and guess what? He only needed asking once!! Byee.

OhOurBilly · 20/11/2017 12:46

I think when all is said and done, it's not about the underwear, it's about him not listening to what his wife is saying/asking him NOT to do.

It's wilful ignorance. Do a task, so it badly, "oh I didn't know own sorry" is easily forgiven if someone isn't doing it over and over.

So you add the ruined knickers to him say, moving pieces of paperwork that you need to "tidy" them, but then not remembering where he's put them. And then eating the last two eggs for his dinner when you've said to him that morning "don't use those eggs, I'm going to need them for a meal for everyone this evening". And then putting things away, but not in the place where they go, so you then have to look for them. Or giving the kids a biscuit before they have their dinner, so then the don't want what you've cooked.

Each instance you can go "oh FFS!" And dismiss it as one of those things. Bit when it's every day, it gets wearing.

You needed the paperwork to make a phone call, you put it there specifically and said "leave that there because..." now you can't find it, so you can't complete the task. So you then have to locate the paperwork (again) taking time away from the actual doing of the task, he can't remember, in fact he'll swear he's not had them, so your having to second guess all the time. He gets offended that you're accusing him of moving something he "hasn't had."

You don't find out he's eaten the eggs until you're already cooking and you go to lay hands on them. So you either have to work around not having any eggs/stop and go and buy eggs/have a row about him having eaten the eggs and send him.

You laid out a load of clothes and items to go to the charity shop. He "helpfully" goes and puts it all back. "I've tidied that pile of stuff away for you" even though you said "I'm going to drop a bag up to the charity shop later, put anything you want taking away in that bag"

You've just made a meal, the kids were moaning they were hungry, you nip up to the toilet and by the time you get back, they're eating a KitKat each. He's given them one "what did you do that for?!" "oh they were hungry" "But I've just made tea!!" Wasted time, effort, money, all because he didn't read the situation.

When you have to constantly allow for someone else's fuckwittery when they don't listen to you, no matter what you say or do. Or when you repeat yourself to make sure they've heard/listened "stop nagging". You can't win. When it's every day, for years, it's exhausting.

Can you tell my DH does the same?! He would tell you he adores me and tries his best. He doesn't, because he doesn't listen. Just yesterday, "don't give the baby another banana" simple enough right? He gave the baby another banana, because he wanted one. Of course he wants another one, he's a baby. But actually too much banana gives him stomach ache and then the shits, and it's me who will sit up with him all night while he's writhing in pain and the inevitable nappies. I've TOLD him all this before. He just saw it as "the baby wants a banana" and none of the consequences because "it's only a banana". But it's not, it's the baby crying, no sleep for me, shit everywhere and a bad day of an exhusted, grumpy one year old the next.

It's not about the knickers, OP could by knickers spun by Andalusian mountain spiders from the gossamer hand picked by fairies and kissed by a unicorn. Or bog standard five for £3 from Asda. Its not about the knickers.

If she had asked "would I be unreasonable to leave my dh, who has no respect for my belongings and doesn't listen to me no matter what I do, despite me taking measures to make sure my belongings don't get ruined by him? I'm sure she would have got a different response that outrage about hand washed knickers.

If he smashed her car everytime he drove it, or put her iPhone through the machine on a regular basis, or a whole host of any other things, she would have had a different response.

She shouldn't have to hide her stuff in her own home, or not have nice things because a sentient, adult human can't follow simple instructions. Simple instructions that have no impact on his life by not doing them. Simple instructions that have a negative impact on her life by him not following them.

RaspberryOverload · 20/11/2017 13:11

A lot of the posters on here don't seem to get the point.

The OPs DH clearly doesn't care about OPs things, only about his own wants and needs in that instance. He doesn't listen because he doesn't want to.

I recently left someone after 3 decades, and he demonstrated controlling abusive behaviour that outsiders would just dismiss.

So, for example, we come back from holiday in the evening. Do we relax and leave the washing for the day after, when we have a day off? Of course not, the DCs and I end up spending the whole evening emptying bags and doing load after load.

Sounds reasonable, until you realize that he just sat on his arse watching TV expecting us to do it all and shouting if we weren't sufficiently busy.

But on the surface, outsiders would have agreed with Ex, that it's good to get things away.

It's irrelevant that it's the OPs undies, it is definitely relevant that he's been told many times not to wash certain items yet still went into a basket of separated items to deliberately pick stuff out.

whiskyowl · 20/11/2017 13:25

Superb post from @OhOurBilly. The frustrations - and exhaustions - of a partner who Will Not Listen explained.

EmilyChambers79 · 20/11/2017 13:40

Condescendence doesn't make you right. You can dear me all you like. You're still wrong. In many ways

Ok. Grin

(But just so you know, my opinion is the polar opposite to yours. You and your opinions don't trump mine, therefore me not agreeing with you, doesn't make me wrong. I don't think you are wrong because your opinion is different but then I'm not the sort of person who thinks I'm always right and can dictate when others are right or wrong)

Inertia · 20/11/2017 14:09

Great post Billy. And in fact, it should be even easier for the husband because he doesn’t actually have to follow instructions to actively carry out a particular task - he just needs to leave stuff alone.

Firesuit · 20/11/2017 14:41

I think the proportionate punishment would be to send him shopping for replacement items. Or even just drag him along, if sending him alone isn't going to work. Being made to spend a few hours of his weekend shopping for women's underwear should make an impression that ten years of being told off hasn't.

(Unless he has a fetish that make's such shopping enjoyable, I suppose.)

OhOurBilly · 20/11/2017 14:56

OP could tell him that they are going shopping for underwear to replace the underwear which he has ruined. All he will hear is "she wants new underwear". He will dutifully go shopping with her, she will buy underwear (presuming it all just come out of the family budget it makes no difference who actually pays). Time will pass. He'll ruin it again.

I have a coat that my DH ripped. Quite a bad rip. I'd spend ages looking for a coat which served all the purposes I wanted it for, and then the right price. It wasn't expensive but I'm quite picky about things like that so was thrilled when I found it. He ripped it. So I fixed it. And every time he sees me wearing it he says that I should buy a new one. But I don't want a new one. I want for him to not have ripped this one. My point being, why should I have to go searching for another coat, pay out more money, because he ripped my other one. It would still be me doing the donkey work to find a new one, whether he traipsed along or not.

I'm not the OP sock puppeting, although it probably comes across like that. But I do see myself in the same situation in however many years. And it worries me. Because if it is death by a thousand cuts, do I cut and run now? Or when it becomes unbearable? Op is obviously at the point where it is unbearable and has had numerous posters berating her for buying nice knickers, missing the point entirely and calling her names!

Lweji · 20/11/2017 16:27

You and your opinions don't trump mine, therefore me not agreeing with you, doesn't make me wrong. I don't think you are wrong because your opinion is different but then I'm not the sort of person who thinks I'm always right and can dictate when others are right or wrong

You're wrong because you've been ignoring what the OP said, not because your opinion is different from mine.
When you base your opinion on facts (what the OP said), then I might consider your opinion valid, even if different.

ReanimatedSGB · 20/11/2017 17:29

Yes, it's the sheer endlessness of it. Eventually you realise that your partner doesn't actually think of you as a person at all, you're just 'wife' - a household appliance that makes a kind of background hum of noise he doesn't have to pay any attention to. Because it's always your stuff that gets damaged, by carelessness or laziness or simply not listening. It's always your time that's wasted by having to fix or replace whatever he's destroyed/used up despite being asked to leave it alone, it's always you who has to deal with DC's tantrums or disappointment or discomfort when he's done something to upset them, or not bothered keeping an eye on them so they've hurt themselves...
Threads like this just make me all the more glad to be single.

StrangeLookingParasite · 20/11/2017 22:48

Absolutely excellent posts, OhOurBilly.

Nanny0gg · 20/11/2017 23:39

OhOurBilly's summed up the whole thread perfectly.

Sadly, the hard of reading will still take no notice as it will ruin their sport.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 21/11/2017 00:40

I don't know what's more frustrating, OP's idiot husband or the hard of thinking posters on this thread who just can't read or comprehend what OP is saying. Honestly you fucking idiots, put your brains in gear and read Billy's post. Then go through the thread and read all of OP's posts again. It's really not hard to understand.

Seeingadistance · 21/11/2017 01:28

I've remembered another thing of mine that my ex ruined. My tent. My tent that I'd saved up for and it was mine. Had car, had tent, had wee escape route whenever I fancied getting away. He hated camping.

He asked/demanded that I get him a scooter, think Lambretta thing, for his 40th. I spent the best part of £500 getting him a fixer up one, and said to him that he should either make space in the shed for it, or cover it with a tarpaulin.

One day he said he'd found a tarpaulin for it. It wasn't a tarpaulin. It was my tent! And he'd ripped it and hacked at it so it fitted round the scooter.

He just shrugged. No apology, no replacement tent. Nothing.

Because I was nothing. I wasn't even as much as nothing. I was less than nothing to him.

These men who deliberately damage things which are precious to those they are supposed to love are being abusive. Some are being consciously abusive, others are being abusive in that they don't even give a thought to the person they are harming.

skyrim · 21/11/2017 05:57

FFS!! That is bad Seeing, I actually took a sharp intake of breath there. Thank god you got rid of him, nasty piece of work. Hope you eventually got another tent Flowers

redbuss · 21/11/2017 06:03

others are being abusive in that they don't even give a thought to the person they are harming

Thank you for putting this into words for me. I've always struggled to explain exactly why my ex was so bad and that was it. He didn't go out of his way to harm, he just truly, absolutely thought me and my thoughts and feelings were worth nothing.

Talking to him was like talking to air. Just made no difference at all.

Thank you.

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