To think a 13 year old boy shouldn't use the ladies loo?

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NC for this. Recently I was in a situation where a group of people I was in went to a service station. A boy of 13 was told by his mother to come into the ladies with her rather than use the gents as it was safer.

AIBU to think that’s not OK?

Bat i was highlighting your blind trust of you H's perspective on the matter, in a thread where male experiences are threatening. Therin was the irony, not the suggestion you looked in male toilets

Ah right fair enough. I don't see the irony in it, but if you do then great

Noones answered you Cherry because you keep ranting on without basis in the hope of someone saying something you want to hear.

Or they just don’t have an answer?

Nobody goes into mens toilets to nosy around why would they?

Well we’ve had countless posters telling us that their teen sons come into the ladies when the men’s toilets isn’t suitable. So I am assuming they’ve actually taken a look in to make that judgement unless they can see through walls

Also who says that men can’t wee in a cubicle my DH never uses a urinal

Statistically those figures are questionable and i would need more details before determining if they were produced through robust methods of analysis.

They’re from the CPS, but I’ll leave you to determine if the CPS are doing their jobs 😂😂😂 they clearly need YOU, random internet person, to validate their facts

What does ‘statistically those figures are questionable’ mean? That sentence doesn’t make sense.

Cubicles can be busy. Waiting can be more uncomfortable than using the urinal. Your H's experience may not be my son's. So not relevant necessarily.
You didn't cite the CPS just an arbitrary percentage. And not random person I work in research. I know how to assess statistical accuracy its my job. Any published data has to justify its validity. That is how accurate and reliable they are. Doesnt matter if the queen signed them. Thats what i meant- no need for the generous emojis
So not thick either thanks- far from it. No need for personal insults, it's a debate at the end of the day where people have different views it's called freedom of speech.
Bat fair enough.

Waiting can be more uncomfortable than using the urinal

So when girls feel uncomfortable at males in an all female space they're being "entitled".

But a male queueing for a cubicle in the relevant toilets for him to use might get uncomfortable?

What???
When did i say girls were entitled at any point in this thread?
I should inagine both sexes are uncomfortable at somw point. Just saying that cherry's husbands experience may be different to my sons. I didnt use that as an excuse to use the ladies.
I'm all for fair discussion but some members aren't even getting the facts right. If you cant even read and understand whats been said then theres no point even talking.

Well we’ve had countless posters telling us that their teen sons come into the ladies when the men’s toilets isn’t suitable. So I am assuming they’ve actually taken a look in to make that judgement unless they can see through walls

And presuming they did go in and check first why would you mot just stay and use the loo. I mean women shouldn't be in the men's either however its senseless to have a women enter the men's with a ds upset the men then not even use the loo then upset the women by taking the teen into the ladies.

So when girls feel uncomfortable at males in an all female space they're being "entitled

But a male queueing for a cubicle in the relevant toilets for him to use might get uncomfortable?

And here we have it.

AND IF ACCOMPANIED BOYS SHOULDN'T BE ON ANYONE'S RADAR WITH REGARDS TO RISK OR DISCOMFORT WHY CAN'T TEEN BOYS PEE AMONGST THEM IN THE MENS

I would 100% prefer my son to use a cubicle in the ladies then the men’s on his own. I’ve been to toilets where as an adult I’m uncomfortable so I a really public place yes I would take in a 13 year old. Seriously though all women’s toilets are cubicles with doors so is there really a privacy issue ?? More private in women’s than men’s surely !????

Who said they were entitled?
Glad you feel able to take my comment out of context to fuel your diatribe giles.
It is dangerous to assume. There are more holes here than swiss xheese

You didn't cite the CPS just an arbitrary percentage. And not random person I work in research

This is MN, I’m not writing a dissertation I didn’t realise I always needed to quote a source 🙄 I don’t understand your last point - does working in research mean you don’t believe statistics put out by government bodies?

00 RTFT to find out why girls comfort, dignity and privacy matters and why it’s not suitable to take an almost adult male into the ladies.

I really do feel sorry for all these teen boys being dragged into the ladies and only hope they don’t see a girl they know, for the sake of their own embarrassment.

There are more holes here than swiss xheese talking about holes what about all the gaps in the cubicles that can't guarantee privacy, what about the mum with a pushchair who left the door open to watch her baby.

Cherry if youre using a number to make a point of course you need to say the source.
I work with research from government bodies.
Ive read the full thread. Many important points raised but lots of factual inaccuracies due to misquoting and well meant passion about womens rights. This has ruined what could have been a productive thread.
FWIW I agree that it is embarrassing for boys. Thats why my sons have NEVER been in the ladies, despite many posts my way calling me a mummy and saying they felt sorry for them.

Baroness good point.

My 6 year old DS point blank refuses to come in the ladies toilets. I have to hover by the door to the men’s like a peeping Tom!

If people don't see 13 as the cutoff point for boys coming into the ladies, then when is the cutoff? Is there ever one? Is there really no women's room at all effectively?

And, just out of curiosity, what is going on in the men's room? I agree that public toilets in train stations and the like are pretty unpleasant. Or seem to be unpleasant from what I can see in the women's room. How much worse can the men's room be from the women's? What is going on in the men's room?

Oh for God's sake he was with his mother, not aimlessly wondering in there. Whatever the reason between mum and son (btw how do you know he us 13 and isn't younger but just looks older?) I think it's not really an issue. Though the fact you noticed this child, felt the need to come on a forum and then discuss this situation with strangers, just highlights the mum was probably right to keep her son nearby.

@Elenasparkles did you just read my original post and decide to whip yourself up into a frenzy?

As you will see from the thread I know the boy is 13 because he’s a member of my family and, call me crazy- I tend to know how old my relatives are. It’s literally in the first few posts!

Simmer down dear.

Ok my bad, i miss read the beginning..apologies... but seriously is it really that much of an issue for you? He was with his mum?

No, it wasn’t a massive issue for me but as tons of PP’s have pointed out it is a massive issue for lots of girls and women for a range of reasons. I don’t think it should have happened mainly because I think it’s embarrassing for the boy and he’s being mollycoddled but as lots of people have since commented the actual issue as to why it’s wrong ( in this situation) is far more than that.

elena It doesn't make a difference if he is with his mum.
He is a teenage male.
He should not be in thr female bathroom.

maisy

It's like when you cheat with twins Its not cheating as they cancel eachother out and if you share Ice cream it has no calories. A man/Not is not a man/boy when hes with his mother.

It's like when you cheat with twins Its not cheating as they cancel eachother out and if you share Ice cream it has no calories. A man/Not is not a man/boy when hes with his mother

Obviously.
Men in general life aren't predators but they are the second a male teen has to enter a bathroom.
People with a penis pose no risk to women or girls and girls/women who have an issue need to stop being so sensitive... but if you've got a son and he uses the male toilets then suddenly having a penis makes half the population terrifyingly risky.