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In thinking Charles Bronson should have been released years ago ??

193 replies

SatansLittleHelper2 · 15/11/2017 13:40

Yes he's a violent idiot but bloody hell, 40years just seems a bit harsh for someone who.is probably more mad than bad.......when you consider a man who raped and murdered two children is being released and will serve less time than a man who's never really been given a chance it all sounds a bit ridiculous.

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Insomnibrat · 15/11/2017 14:47

I do think he's unwell but the case could be argued that all violent criminals are 'unwell'.

These outlandish requests are manipulative and demonstrate an abuse of his position, they are not endearingly eccentric.

ghostyslovesheets · 15/11/2017 14:48

Pitchfork isn't being released - his parole was refused in 2016 - he's in open prison and not up for parole again until next year

I think the people who deal with Bronson day today, his doctors and his mental health team are best placed to decide what threat he poses - which is how decisions are made

stevie69 · 15/11/2017 14:50

I think the people who deal with Bronson day today, his doctors and his mental health team are best placed to decide what threat he poses - which is how decisions are made

Quite. I would much rather that were the case than we rely on the OP's musings Hmm

Insomnibrat · 15/11/2017 14:50

Many bad people are endearing, eccentric, amiable, approachable, charming and thoroughly likeable. That's how they operate.
Don't fall for the 'tortured artist' thing, he's a cuckoo.

RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2017 14:55

Houseful he has been assessed by several psychiatrists over the years and in their opinion he is not clearly mentally unwell. He is, however, very skilled at manipulation.

Flowerfae · 15/11/2017 15:00

I don't think he wants to be released, I don't think he would be able to function in society after years of being in solitary confinement. He'd of been out years ago if he hadn't been fighting with inmates and staff (granted some of the staff were beating the hell out of him and he fought back but some weren't and he just attacked them), if he hadn't of taken other prisoners hostage (also took a teacher hostage) and hadn't of tried to kill another prisoner, who was jailed for paedophilia and child murder (which he said was his reasoning for why he did it) by strangling him with a dressing gown cord, and if he hadn't of kept getting on to the roof of the prison.

He's absolutely bonkers (taking hostages in return for an inflatable doll, a helicopter and a cup of tea and then releasing the hostage because the hostage farted) also he is violent, and he'll probably always be violent. I'd pretty much guarantee if he was released, he'd be back in before long. He keeps coming to nearly being released then does something else. Ian Brady will be out before he is.

That lady who has married him is either completely mad herself or she's out for the money she'll make from selling books etc.

Insomnibrat · 15/11/2017 15:00

I've read a couple of his books. Not books about him, but books written by his own hand. He's a very intelligent man, skilled in reading, manipulating and preying on people and he's very open about his techniques, but throughout these books there is a real sense of grandiose self importance, of being cleverer than everyone else.
His books make him sound affable and likeable, until he explains how and why he tries to cut a prison guard's face off.

But hey, lets release him.

Insomnibrat · 15/11/2017 15:02

*Ian Brady will be out before he is?

Have you been away? Grin

Flowerfae · 15/11/2017 15:03

fecks sake he's dead :D can't keep up with these bloody nutters

BarbaraofSevillle · 15/11/2017 15:32

Picking up on one point in the OP, aren't a lot of serious offenders sentenced to life imprisonment, with some guideline on how long 'life' should mean?

It does not always mean until they die, but could be as little as 15-20 years, and if they show remorse and have treatment or whatever is necessary, may be released after that time, but on licence, as in they have to demonstrate they continue to not be a danger to society.

If they never show remorse or accept treatment, or they cause trouble in prison, they will not be considered for release until they do, like Charles Bronson or whatever he calls himself these days illustrates? Similarly, a life sentenced prisoner who has been released can be recalled to prison if he/she breaks the licence conditions.

I will not comment on whether CB is mad or bad, or whether he should be in prison or a secure mental health facility, but like PPs have commented, many very bad people are skilled manipulators, who will try and convince medical staff and the authorities that they are mad not bad, because they will be housed in a secure mental health facililty instead of a high security prison, which is often considered to be the less unpleasant option.

Like the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, who after years of being in a secure mental health facility has now been transferred to a standard prison.

BarbaraofSevillle · 15/11/2017 15:33

Sounds like, if someone is called Ian or Charles or their last name is Bronson, it's all a bit too confusing for some people Grin.

ShatnersWig · 15/11/2017 15:49

I just keep laughing every time she's in the tabloids (since they got engaged) to see her referred to as "soap star".

She was in Coronation Street three times between 2008 and 2012 as an unnamed nurse.

STAR????

RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2017 16:03

OP described Charles Bronson/Salvador as 'a violent idiot' in her opening post and yet somehow thinks that we need yet another 'violent idiot' out on the streets, bizarre logic.

I can't/don't want to imagine the sheer terror that teacher went through for 44 hours whilst held hostage by Charles Bronson/Salvador, horrific and all because he criticised one of his pictures.

Imjustme2017 · 16/11/2017 20:34

He has NEVER killed anyone! He has not committed a violent offence for 4 years! He’s not just an unpredictable mad man! There is ALOT more to him than that!

Bubblebubblepop · 16/11/2017 20:36

I remember reading his autobiography. He's thick as mince and enjoys being king of his own little island. He'll just have to stay there until he does tbn

Bubblebubblepop · 16/11/2017 20:37

Until he DIES TBH even

Imjustme2017 · 16/11/2017 20:42

Laurie if he wanted to kill,he would have Ffs

Humpsfor20yards · 16/11/2017 20:49

Ah well, if he hasn't committed a violent offence for four whole years!!

Ffs what's the matter with you?

BenLui · 16/11/2017 21:01

Imjustme genuine question, would you be happy with him living next door to you?

questionbasket · 16/11/2017 21:02

My criminology lecturer was all for releasing him. Then again, he belongs to the more radical school of thought.

ilovesooty · 16/11/2017 21:16

I don't think I've seen a thread with more confusion about who was being talked about and who was alive and who was dead.

ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2017 21:25

He’s not just an unpredictable mad man! There is ALOT more to him than that!

But if he is an unpredictable mad man he still shouldn't be out on the streets.... Regardless of whether there's more to him or not.

WitchesHatRim · 16/11/2017 22:46

He has not committed a violent offence for 4 years.

Oh well that's alright then Hmm

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 16/11/2017 23:44

I am not sure anyone here is going to support a prisoner who has raped and killed a child being released

But that is irrelevant every prisoner is individual and assessed. He can’t be contained in prison how the fuck would they manage out side. He obviously has an issue to put it lightly towards authority who is to say he would take his medication

And rehabilitation takes years and most of the work is done long before a prisoner with mh issues (and he isn’t the only one where they are just not sure what those issues are) is released he is unable to engage with other people, he is impulsive, lacks awareness and hasn’t shown remorse

Op I really don’t get what your basing your opinion on

RosaTheOwl · 16/11/2017 23:55

OP - why?

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