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Non proposal and pissed off

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Mar84 · 14/11/2017 07:11

So me and BF are away for a few days somewhere beautiful and VERY romantic, I have always wanted to go here so have been so excited. Also a few nights with no DC and posh hotel are heavenly after a stressful year.
Last night we went to a landmark, the one I had been so excited about and I pointed out a couple getting engaged at the front. Everyone was clapping and cheering, it was truely lovely. BF turns around and says he had brought a ring with him (back in hotel) as he had planned on asking me to marry him but that looked embarrassing and too much so he isn’t going to now- maybe next year if we go away.
Am I AIBU to feel that is really shit of him and feel crap that he just thought telling me he was but now isn’t going to and might next year is horrible? I have spent years in a marriage not feeling good enough and finally I do but this just put me back a few steps that I felt I wasn’t worth the hassle. That aside there is a MILLION places here he could of done it if that was too much but to just cancel it and ruin it feels rubbish please tell me my mood is unreasonable

OP posts:
AnchorDownDeepBreath · 14/11/2017 11:42

He was telling her the truth, he was going to propose and whe its come to it, he’s changed his mind and he’s will reconsider if he wishes to propose to her next year, right now he’s not sure if he wants to marry her or not. The type of proposal is irrelevant, he doesn’t want to propose at all, even in private.

This. The rest is irrelevant detail. He was going to propose, something made him reconsider, he’s now not ready. That’s all there is to it.

CardinalCat · 14/11/2017 11:44

I should state from the outset that I am not married nor do I wish to be. I am financially independent of my partner and don't need the legal security of it- I appreciate that this is not true of all (or indeed even most) women so for that reason alone I am not 'anti-marriage'. It's just not for me, I don't need or want it. I think it's fine for others to desire it if their circumstances suit.

However, there is so much about marriage and weddings that still reeks of the patriarchy and makes me want to be sick in my mouth (the bride being 'given away' for a start). Top of my absolute shit list, however, is this notion that women ought to sit around meekly until the Man Of The House deigns to give her a "proposal".

Seriously, FUCK THAT unless you're still twelve. I can't personally can't think of anything worse.

If people are in a long term relationship and live together, have kids together, and know that they both value marriage as a matter of principle, then they surely just discuss it like any other decision, like whether to get a new kitchen - darling, you know we discussed how we both value marriage? Shall we get around to doing that soon do you think? Yes dear, that sounds lovely. Shall we pencil something in for next year for during the school holidays?

BAM. done. easy.

I just don't get this big male-centric proposal thing- obviously if both parties are into it and it feels good, that's lovely. But it's not a prerequisite for a wedding, let alone a MARRIAGE.

But I will never understand people who are willing to throw away what (presumably) was a good relationship over something as daft as a "tradition" that it is completely irrelevant these days (in that women aren't now generally bought and sold as between their fathers and their husbands , in western culture at least). FGS if it's that important to you, ask him yourself!!

updates spreadsheet of stuff she will never bloody understand

Dobopdidoo1 · 14/11/2017 11:47

I agree so much with your post @CardialCat

WinnieFosterTether · 14/11/2017 11:49

No-one is suggesting throwing away a relationship over a tradition. People are suggesting reconsidering a relationship where the 'partner' has deliberately upset you; cast a shadow on a happy occasion (the holiday); created a question over future commitment and tried to position themselves as the dominant, decision making partner about both of your futures.

Chilver · 14/11/2017 11:54

In my experience, guys just don't think about our feelings in this regard, it just doesn't occur to them. My DH had me researching venues, wanted me looking at rings - and yet he still hadn't actually proposed. Then we had a fight about it (i said it wasnt reasonable for me to be spending my time doing that) and then he blurted out he was waiting for our anniversary so kind of spoilt the surprise anyway!

Just tell him how you feel (don't fight like I did though Grin)

innagazing · 14/11/2017 11:54

Bluntness
Grin

LoverOfCake · 14/11/2017 12:05

I don't think it's throwing away a relationship over a tradition.

The reality is that if the OP and her BF had been having this conversation over lunch about marriage and the future etc and he'd said then "I've been wanting to get married but now I've changed my mind," nobody would say that the OP was unreasonable for being upset. And yet the BF has essentially said exactly the same thing just in a different setting so "I wanted to propose but changed my mind so left the ring in the hotel, maybe things will be different next year," the message is still exactly the same, it's just the delivery that's different, but either way he doesn't want to marry the OP yet.

ohfourfoxache · 14/11/2017 12:08

Bloody hell OP, even just reading your posts makes me feel like I’ve been punched in the guts (I waited 7 years for now dh to propose and I can still remember the gut wrenching hurt)

I do agree with pps that there is a danger that any proposal now would feel forced. But I suppose the question is “does it matter?”

We had a massive argument only a couple of weeks before he popped the question. And yes, I did feel a bit like I’d forced it. But 10 years later it doesn’t feel like that really matters

CoraPirbright · 14/11/2017 12:09

Just cant get my head around why on earth he would decide against proposing at that point (totally normal to change your mind or whatever) but then to tell you that?!! Just seems cruel. And what does ‘next year’ mean?? A whole 12 months more? And why do you have to live by his bloody time table anyway???

Dobopdidoo1 · 14/11/2017 12:15

To me, the idea of waiting for a man to “pop the question” is unfathomable. Why put yourself and your future in the hands of someone else? Why not just discuss it like you would any other important life decision?

whiskyowl · 14/11/2017 12:15

Excellent post cardinalcat.

Reading this thread, it's clear that the traditional way that things are set up is causing many women agonising stress and pain. That's not just damaging, it's utterly undignified - to be the little woman, waiting for the big man to say she's good enough. We should be fighting against these expectations - and they are really, really internalised - I'm not blaming women for one second for feeling bad - so that we don't pass this on to subsequent generations.

bettytaghetti · 14/11/2017 12:16

dissapointedafternoon Tue 14-Nov-17 08:23:08
Pretty sure he is going to propose at a more private time on the holiday and he was trying to et the chance to ask at a time when he had chosen.
Let's see what happens but don't kick up a stink.

Can your OH spell disappointed correctly OP? Wink

FWIW my DH did something similar. We had been together for a long time & he had always told everyone that when he proposed he was going to do it abroad. After having been together for 9 years, he said he was taking me for a surprise weekend away & I didn't know where until I was on the flight. All weekend I kept expecting him to ask, and to be fair there was always something that kind of got in the way, but he didn't. Back at work everyone kept grabbing my left hand to check for a ring and family & friends were calling me to find out if he had proposed. Very annoying after the 2,533rd time! Because we'd both been so busy that week we hadn't had much of a chance to talk and he suggested going out for dinner on the Friday night. Pretty much the first thing I said was he wouldn't believe what a week I'd had with everyone asking if he'd proposed, and he replied, "well actually, I was going to ask you tonight". So I totally ruined that moment too!
Have now been married for 20 years and can at least laugh about the non-proposal!
Hope things get better for you OP x

PeawitPerkins · 14/11/2017 12:17

None of the posters on here knows the OP or her partner. None of us has enough information to advise whether she should rethink her relationship. Yes, it is reasonable for her to feel upset - that's the answer to her original question. But leaving him over this admittedly stupid comment?

We may not agree with marriage, male dominated/showy proposals etc etc but not really relevant if the OP has a different view.

sherbetpips · 14/11/2017 12:20

how does he behave generally re things like this - I only ask because this is exactly the sort of thing my mildly autistic brother would do. Assess the situation, decide its not right and in his head agree to review it the following year. Feelings often don't come into it until he is reminded. Feel free to ignore me if he doesn't have those traits!

strugglingtodomybest · 14/11/2017 12:22

I don't really understand tbh, though it could be that I've just read the thread too quickly and missed something.

When he said "he had planned on asking me to marry him but that looked embarrassing and too much so he isn’t going to now- maybe next year if we go away." surely you just say, "ah forget the big proposal just give me the ring and it's done?" Or words to that effect?

ThisTimeItsTrue · 14/11/2017 12:27

In my experience, guys just don't think about our feelings in this regard, it just doesn't occur to them.

It does seem to be more of a female thing to want a wow factor proposal but I could be wrong. I'm female and the thought of a surprise proposal by the man seems odd to me. If I wanted to get married I would talk about it and suggest it if it was what we both wanted. The thought of waiting until he asked would've been wierd to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️. I couldn't be doing with all the dropping hints, false expectations and dashed hopes nonsense.

Couples should do whatever they want, it's literally no concern to me but it 'wouldn't occur' to me to expect to be proposed to.

CandleLit · 14/11/2017 12:39

OP, you said some way up thread and made me feel that I wasn’t good enough once again

Has he made you feel not good enough before then? If so, I encourage you to give this relationship a bit more thought.

If he has made you feel shit before, and then does so again over what should be a wholey happy event marking the start of your forever commitment to each other, well that gives me pause.

Cupoteap · 14/11/2017 12:39

Do you think he actually has a ring with him?

MyKingdomForBrie · 14/11/2017 12:42

I’d booked the church before now DH had even proposed! We had discussed and decided we wanted to get marrried and when. We still had a ‘proposal’ moment but it was more just giving me a nice ring to mark the occasion than actually asking the question.

I would want to take the power back at this point, tell him what happened has made you re think and you’ll need more time to decide whether or not he is someone you could marry (which hopefully is true - you need to work out if he was being cruel or just stupid)

OnionShite · 14/11/2017 12:43

YY winnie. I'm not saying OP should end the relationship over this, though I would be thinking carefully about whether he actually does want marriage and whether that would be a deal breaker for me if he didn't. But it should be incredibly obvious that the problem here is the hurtful behaviour, not the failure to observe the tradition in a particular way.

ToEarlyForDecorations · 14/11/2017 13:13

The perfect response? "I thought you might have proposed and I was going to say yes. Next time? Who knows. Something better might come up in the meantime". Cuts both ways, you know.....

This^

It's a breach of trust. He's not your husband. Boyfriend for a bit longer if you wish.

I was going to propose..........

What else will he tease you over in future ? A baby ? House move ? Other woman ?

ToEarlyForDecorations · 14/11/2017 13:16

How about you play him at his own game ?

Well I did fancy sex tonight but I thought I'd wait. Well I was going to cook a meal this evening but I thought I'd wait etc etc etc.

MerryMarigold · 14/11/2017 13:20

The type of proposal is irrelevant, he doesn’t want to propose at all, even in private.

Exactly. But isn't that concerning? He's not anti marriage. He was going to propose but doesn't want to anymore. And also thinks the timing of a romantic holiday, at the point someone else is getting engaged, is a good time to bring this important matter up. Hmm

ToEarlyForDecorations · 14/11/2017 13:22

Do you think he actually has a ring with him?

Yes. She checked. He did.

The OP didn't have the cheek to get it out of it's box and wear it saying, 'I can wear this now, right ? I mean you're proposing next year so I can start wearing this now, yes ?'

He would probably have said no. In which case the OP could have given it back saying 'stuff it up your arse.'

I don't know who will be wearing that ring but it sure as hell won't be me.

Dobopdidoo1 · 14/11/2017 13:27

He’s testing you OP. To see how much shit you are prepared to put up with.

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