Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

[Babieseverywhere]

If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

[Notanumberuser]

Babieseverywhere you can’t order people off threads. Mumsnet doesn’t work like that.

[Ereshkigal]

The trans agenda is in direct conflict with women's rights and arguably harmful to children. Of course women on this site and more generally aren't going to take that lying down. It's going to get worse before it's resolved.

[araiwa]

Ereshkigal- at no point did I say that, so wtf

gaining rights for any group is a war that is made up of many battles, women, blacks, gays have had some major battles in recent history and won them, they havent won the war yet though...

straight, white men are still at the top table

this is the first big battle for the transexual community, even if they win, they havent won the war yet either

[Ereshkigal]

I'm so glad people are challenging schools. That is ground zero for the trans agenda.

[Ereshkigal]

As I said araiwa, trans demands are in conflict with women's established rights.

[araiwa]

yup, and black demands were in conflict with white peoples established rights

[blackteasplease]

I think doing the whole "I identify as a man" thing is interesting. Might it be counterproductive? Suggesting that actually this is OK and that women would benefit?

I haven't quite made up my mind on that.

Access to men's loos is great news as it means no more queuing! And things like men's only clubs still exist - if you fancy joining one of those it's your lucky day. Probably is that it won't inconvenience the men very much to have women there, amd their safety won't be compromised. Women have a lot more to lose from this bill than men do!

[2018babyonboard]

The people who talk so negatively about trans rights are the ‘I’m alright, jack’ generation. Who cares what these people go through as long as you’re fine and unaffected.
Why should we let refugees into our country who are fleeing violence and want to be safe? After all, a few of them are terroists right? Because they’re from the country that terrorists come from? Therefore they must want to attack us. So let’s just protest for them to not be allowed into our nice safe country and leave them to suffer because we’ve worked hard at getting our country safe - fuck everyone else who might threaten that.
Do you see my point? I know after discussion on the other thread that a lot of you are not referring to actual trans people but more gender fluid but your argument also effects and excludes trans people.
I agree with woman’s prisons, definitely need to be proven they are ‘all woman’ to enter and not just pretending to be. I agree with keeping woman safe, of course. Likewise with sporting, no advantages can be present just like the rules on steroids etc. I’m behind the protests all the way on that.
I don’t agree with banning anyone who wasn’t physically born with a vagina and being ignorant to the circumstances that have led them to make the decision to be in the woman’s changing room... behind a locked door, or in other spaces that allow them to be who they are.
Not looking for an argument as that’s how it went last time I voiced my opinion that I must be a woman hating man sympathiser, I just think it’s vital to differentiate what is an issue and what is your own views and prejudice shadowing the real issues.

[Ereshkigal]

It's the reverse. Males are the dominant class. Women do not have privilege over men. What rights do you think trans people are lacking exactly that will be solved by naming it possible to self declare your gender?

[Ereshkigal]

*making it possible

[araiwa]

being able to use the bathroom they feel comfortable in

[Ereshkigal]

You could make exactly the same points about your views 2018.

[Ereshkigal]

While making women feel vulnerable, and ignoring our boundaries.

[Booboobooboo84]

I don’t want my friend to be in a trans space. I want her to be in a woman’s space because she is a woman ffs

[blackteasplease]

No araiwa they were in conflict with white people's privileges.

Black people's rights did not threaten white people's safety.

[Ereshkigal]

And this law will just let more people do that. MTF trans already have that "right"

[treaclesoda]

being able to use the bathroom they feel comfortable in

A lot of vocal transactivists are not satisfied with the idea of a gender neutral toilet/changing room. It has to be the women's. Which blows their whole argument out of the water when they insist it is for safety.

[Ereshkigal]

Your friend is male. Your friend needs to respect women's boundaries. And so do you.

[treaclesoda]

I don’t want my friend to be in a trans space. I want her to be in a woman’s space because she is a woman ffs

So it's not about safety then? It's about something else.

[blackteasplease]

eresh exactly right - men are the dominant group. Men have the privilege.

[araiwa]

so what do you propose to do about the transexual who feels vulnerable and where are her boundaries?

too many people think this about some 2m tall bloke with a beard called Roger suddenly deciding to be called rachael to access top shop changing rooms- its not, its about some of the weakest, most vulnerable people in the world who need help and protections

[Ereshkigal]

The safety argument is generally used in a manipulative way. They want validation.

[OnTheRise]

Black people's rights did not threaten white people's safety.

But trans people's rights don't threaten anyone's safety either. People are conflating trans rights with the rights of odd men who pretend to be trans in order to letch at women, and that's not helpful.