Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

[Babieseverywhere]

If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

[araiwa]

Usa suicide attempt rate - 4%
Usa suicide attempt rate LGB 10-20%
Usa suicide attempt rate TS - 41%
Usa suicide attempt rate TS who have suffered violence, sexual assault, family rejection, homelessness or refused treatment 60- 78%

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Leelah_Alcorn

These are people who need help and protection

[CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger]

Of course the rights of transpeople need to be strengthened - just like the rights of gay people, disabled people etc...basically anyone who has suffered as a result of other people's prejudice.

BUT NOT TO THE DETRIMENT OF WOMEN.

It's all well and good saying, but my lovely friend/family member is a transwoman and I would hate her to have to visit a men's changing room/go to a male prison etc. but you know that individual, you can vouch for their reason/motivation for identifying as a woman and their personality and propensity to commit abuse or violence towards biological women. What you can't do is make the same judgement for every other biological male out there that will now be able to download a form to identify as a woman.

A form, A FORM...the more I think about it the more ridiculous it sounds - it's not a FUCKING club application!

[Ereshkigal]

These are people who need help and protection

No one is denying that. But this isn't the US, it's not a battle between liberals and the religious right. There are reasons trans people commit suicide other than transphobia. It does no good to pretend that they don't exist.

[araiwa]

And if filling in that form would have helped someone like Leelah take the first steps in getting the correct help you might not have to read about a 17 year old who threw herself in front of a lorry on the interstate.

How would helping leelah have been to the detriment of women?

[Ereshkigal]

They would necessarily try to get any help. That's not what this legislation will do.

[JacquesHammer]

In my opinion anyone can choose to identify as whatever sex they feels fits them best. That’s my opinion. And I’m entitled to it and I will voice it especially when people are trying to silence it by creating exclusive threads just to spread hatred

So you think it would be perfectly fine for a male to self identify as a female and play full contact rugby against women?

[Ereshkigal]

You can't control other people with suicide threats. It's manipulative and abusive behaviour. It's a favoured tactic of transactivists. Having been in an abusive relationship where suicide threats were used to keep me in line, I will call this out every time.

[CaeDyGeg]

Women have rights. Transgender women have rights. One does not trump the other.

IMO Transgender toilets, refuges, prisons etc should be made. Don't invade women's and dismiss our rights.

[treaclesoda]

The teen in the Wikipedia link was rejected by her family according to the link. Don't you think that might have a lot to do with her suicide? Allowing her to tick a box on a form would do nothing at all to alleviate the pain of being rejected by her family.

[araiwa]

I think if leelah had an official form that stated she was who she said she was, i think that would have given her hope that things could get better for her.

[theaveragewife]

Usa suicide attempt rate - 4%
Usa suicide attempt rate LGB 10-20%
Usa suicide attempt rate TS - 41%
Usa suicide attempt rate TS who have suffered violence, sexual assault, family rejection, homelessness or refused treatment 60- 78%

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Leelah_Alcorn

These are people who need help and protection

FROM MEN, NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SAFETY OF WOMEN.

[Ereshkigal]

Leelah was a troubled young person who arguably needed mental health treatment and support. This is not what Leelah would have had under the current plans. You are ignorant of what you are talking about. At least listen to Curry, who knows this very well.

[stitchglitched]

There won't be support because dysphoria will no longer be viewed as a mental illness. Downloading a form won't provide counselling and mental health support, it takes away the need for anyone to even speak to a professional.

[Ereshkigal]

Anyway, what's your point? In this country Leelah would undoubtedly have been referred to a gender identity specialist.

[araiwa]

Rejected by her family because she was ts!!

As above, an expected suicide attempt rate of between 60 -80%

Maybe you can dismiss such figures but i am appalled and saddened by them

[CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger]

araiwa - you are purposely avoiding the point I was making.

I am not going to go over the reasons why this act would negatively impact biological women - it has been done to death on this, and many other threads.

Leelah's suicide is utterly horrific and I feel for her and her family. But, this change in law would metaphorically throw biological women under a bus. It is a knee-jerk, politically motivated, virtue signalling move by the gvt. More thought and work needs to go into finding an alternative that protects transpeople and women alike.

[Datun]

Having been in an abusive relationship where suicide threats were used to keep me in line, I will call this out every time.

I’m also not sure how this helps the argument. Mentally fragile men, on a knife edge, being given access to vulnerable women and girls? I don’t get it. It absolutely counts against the argument.

[Ereshkigal]

These people often have untreated mental health issues. They will not seek medical support if all they have to do is fill in a form online. I talk to trans people all the time online. I lurk in trans forums. I know what many of them think about "gatekeeping".

[blackteasplease]

That's a really good point. The people they need protection from are men! Why on earth does this mean women should just budge up and lose our safe spaces?

[araiwa]

I dont feel sorry for leelahs parents- pair of absolute cunts

I think its sad the uk is behind a country like Thailand when it comes to civil rights

[stitchglitched]

Plenty of women who have been sexually assaulted by men attempt suicide too. But lets give all men the legal right to access their spaces anyway because their safety and wellbeing apparently doesn't matter.

[Ereshkigal]

Mentally fragile men, on a knife edge, being given access to vulnerable women and girls?

I know, you know and so do most sensible people when they give it more than a couple of minutes' thought. But we know most transactivists are not sensible people. They have no empathy for women and they don't think about consequences. It's literal violence to deny them the right to be validated at all times. Their misogyny is never far from the surface.

[Ereshkigal]

I think its sad the uk is behind a country like Thailand when it comes to civil rights

We are not. That's a completely dishonest framing.

[Datun]

araiwa

Have you seen the #metoo campaign? Sexual harassment and assault of women is endemic. Across the board.

How do you think making a law that will allow any man to access female spaces is going to help?

Can you answer that question, without talking about trans people?

[Ereshkigal]

As above, an expected suicide attempt rate of between 60 -80%

Where are you getting these figures?