Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

[Babieseverywhere]

If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

[greendale17]

Booboobooboo84

Bore off. No one is spreading hate.

[OnTheRise]

That's the problem though, men don't have to go through that all they have to say is 'I identify as a woman'. Very easy to do and a great opportunity for predators IMO.

When trans people identify as women they encounter a huge amount of hostility and aggression--as is evidenced by this, and other Mumsnet threads. Yes, there might be a few who are doing so in order to gain access to women which they otherwise wouldn't have. But the majority are not. The majority are genuine trans women, and the cost to them is high.

[DrKrogersfavouritepatient]

I'm so tired of men pushing their way into women's spaces and using illogical, narcicistic and aggressive remarks to silence any critical thinking or protection of women and girls. If it wasn't so dangerous it would be boring, like when you have to listen to a tone deaf 10 year old play the trumpet. But it's not, it's a real worry because so many people with influence are saying "hey" that trumpet sounds great "

[Booboobooboo84]

Funny how none of you have anything to say about the trans woman who is already living in a women’s refuge and got attacked while she was using the bathroom of the gender she was assigned at birth. Just because she has a dick she deserved that did she?

What if your child was trans and it happened to them. Shame on you all

[DrKrogersfavouritepatient]

no one is spreading hate
Well, not quite true.

[blackteasplease]

ontherise the problem is that male people are able to say they are women without transitioning anything- they can literally just say "I'm a woman" and doing nothing else.

However I agree with Irene that the problem is much more about men in women's prisons, women's refuges and after that women's toilets than changing rooms. I don't agree with men in women's changing rooms but it's not as scary as the other stuff.

[DrKrogersfavouritepatient]

booboo I think your remarks are aggressive and ignorant.

[OnTheRise]

What if your child was trans and it happened to them. Shame on you all

Exactly. As I said above, I have trans friends and have seen first-hand how difficult their lives are, because people are bigoted against them. It's disgraceful. They're people, trying to get on with their lives and being discriminated against everywhere they go. It's shameful, and it reflects very badly indeed on Mumsnet that such bigotry is allowed to flourish here.

[OnTheRise]

ontherise the problem is that male people are able to say they are women without transitioning anything- they can literally just say "I'm a woman" and doing nothing else.

After having read about this happening, on Mumsnet, I tried to find data on how widespread this is and could find nothing which proved that it's a real problem. Could you provide any proper information on this? I don't mean the odd Daily Mail article, I mean real documented studies.

[CaeDyGeg]

@Booboobooboo84 No one deserves to be attacked.

But IMO the solution isn't to allow men into women spaces. Do you think the person you know would be less likely to be attacked in women's toilets? If so, does that mean you think men are more likely to be aggressive and physical than women? Therefore shouldn't women (who are often the victims too) have the right to women only spaces?

[stitchglitched]

The new law will allow self declaration to happen. The word woman will no longer have any biological meaning and will become anyone who says they are. There are many transwomen who are very unhappy about these proposals too.

[misscockerspaniel]

BooBoo The problem that I have isn't with people like Miranda Yardley or India Willougby.

Flamboyant narcissists who throw a diva strop and demand access to female-only spaces may not be a problem themselves but as many women will testify, sex pests are not limited to Hollywood and Westminster. And yes, opening up female-only spaces to anyone born with XY chromosomes will put children and women at risk. Besides, what about our need for privacy and dignity? It should be sufficient for us to say, no, we don't want penises in female-only spaces. Do we really need to justify ourselves?

Females are not a subset of the male of the species. Stop treating us as though we are.

[jellyfrizz]

Well no I’m not bored but as someone whose staying in a women’s refuge that has a trans woman staying in it after she had the shit kicked out of her in the mans bathroom I’m not going to just watch her being kept in danger.

So instead we can all have the shit kicked out of us by men in the unisex bathrooms - progress!

[GrimDamnFanjo]

What about sport?
Is it fair that transwomen can compete against women as women? take their team places? Win competitions?
Caitlin Jenner holds the women's Olympic Decathlon record! No woman will ever be able to better that.
Sport is about biology, it's not about identification. You can't identify yourself to be shorter, weaker and have a skeleton less well suited to athletics etc

[ridiculoussingle]

I really think one thing we should all do, though it'd be incredibly brave, is to do a mass 'I identify as a man' in those places that it matters. Going topless in pools and no one can complain. Getting naked in gym changing rooms. To make the point that if anyone can identify as whatever gender, then people who aren't trans have access to those spaces. Cos that's what the issue is about. Not about genuine trans access, as most feminists dont have an issue with that, but about predators taking advantage of the trans voice to gain access to spaces that need to be women only.

[jellyfrizz]

We should be making sure the male bathrooms are safe however people present, not just spread the problem to female bathrooms. (Damn, always back to bloody toilets!).

[treaclesoda]

Funny how none of you have anything to say about the trans woman who is already living in a women’s refuge and got attacked while she was using the bathroom of the gender she was assigned at birth. Just because she has a dick she deserved that did she?

Yes, that's exactly what everyone is saying. Trans people deserve to have the shit kicked out of them That's sarcasm just in case it gets quoted back later as evidence of me supporting violence.

The answer to transwomen escaping violence is for transwomen to fundraise and open shelters for transwomen. You know, the way women had to do. It's quite a simple solution really.

[araiwa]

there is no perfect government policy- it impossible, so, yes this has flaws but people objecting so forcefully to it will be judged by history the same as those who opposed womens right to vote, own land etc, black civil rights in usa, gay marriage

some people are taking the piss, but then some people will take the piss out of anything. basing policy on the absolute worst of a group makes for even worse policy. some people take the piss out of the benefits system- we dont abolish all benefits because of a tiny minority

we've had womens rights, race rights, gay rights, transexuals are the next largest group now who currently suffer massively and are fighting for protections as they are massively vulnerable as a group- it's gonna happen

[Ereshkigal]

Your internalised misogyny is quite shocking Booboo. Grow up and think about other women for a change. Not everything revolves around men's feelings.

[ridiculoussingle]

I was just thinking I'd do the whole topless 'I identify as a man' thing myself but I'd lose my job. Except I wouldn't cos that would be transphobic! Result! But then I'd have to actually identify as a man.... Ugh...

[Babieseverywhere]

@IAmEatingACurry
@Mirandayardley
Would love your options, as representatives of trans identifying males on this important issue.

[BishBoshBashBop]

Let's make a difference today.

I have written to my MP previously OP, however your posts are coming across as if you are quoting from some sort if script.

[araiwa]

also, this week, Danica Roem won a seat in the Virginia state legislature. she is a transgender woman.

she beat a guy who was trying to pass laws about which bathrooms she could or couldnt use.

good news and a sign of progress

[Ereshkigal]

Araiwa if you think there are no longer reasons to fight for women's rights in this country you are very naive and sheltered.

[Babieseverywhere]

Too many posters to name tag now.

But if this issue concerns you, contact your MP.

If you have written and got a negative or standard letter back...ring today to make an appointment to speak to your MP in person.

I have never met my own MP but I feel this issue is so important that I am ringing up now to make my own appointment.

If you are thinking of making another post...use that time to look up who your local MP is now and ring their office.

Thank you.