Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

[Babieseverywhere]

If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

[treaclesoda]

Also the irony of saying that other women are displaying an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude by not wanting men in their safe spaces whilst insisting that because you are fine with it then everyone else should just accept it is staggering.

[Ereshkigal]

Third spaces. Female space is segregated by sex, not gender feelings.

[blackteasplease]

Third spaces, as you say, deals with all legitimate safety concerns.

[stitchglitched]

Trans rights are currently enshrined via a GRC. There are criteria to be met, so those saying 'who would put themselves through all that just to access women's spaces' are missing the point. Under the new law the criteria will be abolished and nobody will have to 'put themselves' through anything. This isn't giving trans rights that they didn't have, it is diminishing the rights of women and reducing the support for those with genuine dysphoria.

[OrderMeACurry]

I'm here @Babieseverywhere. Not sure I have the strength for this shit today tbh.

[OnTheRise]

too many people think this about some 2m tall bloke with a beard called Roger suddenly deciding to be called rachael to access top shop changing rooms- its not, its about some of the weakest, most vulnerable people in the world who need help and protections

Exactly.

I once asked my father in law why he so hated gay people. He told me that it was because of what they do to children. I keep on being reminded of his bizarre reasoning while reading anti-trans threads here.

[Ereshkigal]

Curry

[OrderMeACurry]

The people who talk so negatively about trans rights are the ‘I’m alright, jack’ generation. Who cares what these people go through as long as you’re fine and unaffected.

I'm a transwoman and I think this proposed law change is a terrible idea. So does pretty much every single other trans person I know. I'd be happy to engage and discuss why we think it will be harmful to us if you're really willing to listen.

[stitchglitched]

OnTheRise can I ask what you think the problem is with the law as it stands currently, that makes you think self declaration will be a better option?

[PencilsInSpace]

OnTheRise - People are conflating trans rights with the rights of odd men who pretend to be trans in order to letch at women, and that's not helpful.

Well exactly. This is exactly what the proposed changes to the GRA would do by allowing anybody at all to self-declare their legal gender.

[theaveragewife]

Booboo she has a penis, therefore she is not a woman.

It is terrible that she was beaten up, however that doesn't mean I have to accept men into my toilets or changing rooms.

[treaclesoda]

Equating trans rights with the civil rights movement is nonsensical.

It would only make sense if black people were insisting that they were in fact white and that anyone who states, quite factually, that humans come in all shades of skin colour from the palest to the darkest is actually a bigot and, what's more, guilty of a hate crime.

[OrderMeACurry]

I am so tired of reading anti-trans bollocks on Mumsnet.

This is not an anti trans thread. This is an anti self identification thread.

It's divisive, unhelpful, bigoted and offensive.

I still have the scar on my forehead from when I was glassed in a pub for being a "revolting tranny". Now that was bigoted and transphobic. A bunch of women talking about how these things will impact them doesn't really register tbh.

If you're so worried that trans women are going to perve at you in changing rooms

People aren't worried about transwomen perving at them in the changing room. They're worried about men who aren't trans being able to self identify as women and perving on them. Transwomen who pass have been using female toilets and changing rooms for years after all but a lot of people conveniently forget that whilst they're pretending to give a shit about our rights.

why aren't you more worried that gay women are doing it?

Gay women are women therefore have every right to be in a female space.

Do you really think that men would go through the intrusive, painful and incredibly difficult processes required simply in order to gain access to women's groups, etc?

No I don't.

I do however think that they will be happy to say the words "I identify as a woman" and simply fill in a form in order to access female changing rooms. This is exactly all that will be required if this law passes. No painful physical changes will be necessary.

The US already has this law already and as a result, Danielle Muscato was able to declare she's was a woman and take up space in women's refuge.

I have trans friends. They have a terribly hard life, and aren't going through what they're experiencing just for kicks. They are lovely people, and deserve more compassion and understanding than they get.

I think pretty much everyone on here has compassion for myself and your friends.

When trans people identify as women they encounter a huge amount of hostility and aggression

How much aggression and hostility do you think people like Danielle Muscato and Riley Dennis face?

What if your child was trans and it happened to them.

There are a couple of posters on here with trans children. They also disagree with this proposed law change because they know fine well it won't actually help them and that it may actually be harmful to them. Of course if you'd actually bothered to read these threads then you'd know that.

They're people, trying to get on with their lives and being discriminated against everywhere they go.

And how will this new law help us? How will it stop people discriminating against us? What rights will it give us that we don't already have?

[Oddmanout]

araiwa playing the racist card is just another way of trying to stop debate. The fact is race isn't a choice, but being 'gender fluid' i.e. changing your mind everyday or simply saying you identify as a woman without undergoing any changes in your life is a choice and a potentially dangerous one.

[OrderMeACurry]

Perhaps @OnTheRise could explain why she doesn't think that men who do want to perv on women simply won't fill in a form in order to be allowed into the female changing rooms? And perhaps she could also explain how letting these people in actually helps transsexuals.

[araiwa]

People choose to be transexual?

What? Fucking lol

Ignoring the likes of my aforementioned roger/rachael, who is taking the piss, i would imagine that being able to say who/ what you are without having to spend a long time with psychologists, doctors etc taking invasive medical tests to agree you are what you say you are would massively help the fragile mentality of some poor teen going through sex dysphoria

[WeeCheekyBird]

Everyone arguing for "on behalf of" trans people should be listening to @ordermeacurry considering they have personal experience and clearly don't need other women speaking for her.

You're trying to represent people who are clearly able to represent themselves and jumping in a soapbox and yelling loudly for them is not helping.

It's these "do-gooders" that are making it harder for them to be accepted and undoing all the advancements they have already fought for.

And i do not agree that this law should pass. Not because I'm "bigoted" but because of the fact I have a daughter who I also want equal rights for. Not for her to grow up as a lesser sex or put in unsafe situations due to political correctness.

[stitchglitched]

Excellent posts OrderMeACurry. I hope those yelling transphobia actually bother to read them. I'm always surprised at how many posters who rush on here to yell bigot don't actually seem to know very much about what this new law and its implications.

[Babieseverywhere]

Thanks @OrderMeACurry

My aim was a support thread encouraging those people who are concerned to intact their MP and how to arrange meetings, what to say etc.

But we all know a few posters will post in order to derail and try and close down threads, whuch discuss womans rights and safety.

[Babieseverywhere]

Contact their GP.

[Babieseverywhere]

Lol. Contact their MP (autocorrect is annoying)

[disahsterdahling]

All the government is doing is updating out of date legislation to support trans needs. It’s literally the only thing this government is doing vaguely right

At the expense of womens' needs.

If someone has been living as a woman and undergone gender reassignment surgery, they are a woman as far as I am concerned. I think there are issues around sports and that birth sex probably needs to dictate whether you compete with men or women, but other than that, if you've fully transitioned, fine.

What I don't like is the notion that all someone needs to do is say "I am a woman" and we all have to accept that. Yeah right. The proposed law, as far as I know, says something about having to be living as a woman to qualify, but I bet it will be frowned on to ask for proof, so effectively even that safeguard will not be there.

And it will also affect things like access to womens' scholarships and the like. It is not just about thinking that some men will use any means they can to get access to womens-only spaces, it's about breaking down the progress that has been made in furthering womens' rights.