Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

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If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

Plus I spoke to the manager at our Local Topshop and had a chat about the changes and she confirmed that though they ask men to change in the men's changing rooms, they are allowed to change in the ladies if they want.

I explained about Target's problems and that transgender is just a verbal exclaiment and they have working penis and may even wear men's clothes and beards. She sounded horrified and says they hadn't had anyone like that in. It was from her description old school transexuals and that isn't a worry to us as they are vetted over two years before getting their certificate but this new crowd change gender daily.

I pointed out now it was national known that any man was welcome in their ladies changing room, they were likely to get every local pervert visiting them as It would be easy pickings.

I told her that I had told my daughter not to visit Top shop until if/when this policy changes.

She said she understood and would report upward to their head office. I said they head office might be interested to note how much money Target lost following a similar policy change.

She was a nice lady. She agreed it was a daft policy. Let's hope it doesn't cause her and her staff trouble.

It was from her description old school transexuals and that isn't a worry to us as they are vetted over two years before getting their certificate but this new crowd change gender daily.

Yes, I think this is where the disconnect comes in really. So many people hear 'trans' and think 'transsexual'. When it does not mean that anymore..infact 'transsexuals' are regularly denounced by the community generally, as they actually suffer sex dysphoria, which is now a no no for 'trans'.

And as we have always turned a blind eye to the transsexuals up to now, they are not the group I am concerned about.
Plus this group of transexuals don't think they are women and just want to get on with their lives. This new trans stuff must be awful for them to deal with.

How likely is it that NOBODY has ever written a post on Topshop's Facebook page?

Or, option B, that Topshop have been deluged with complaints and have deleted everything in a frantic attempt to handle this situation?

(especially given it states on the main wall "1,740 people messaged this business this month"

The posts still stand under the topshop entries from the last few days, I particularly enjoyed this meme...

For goodness sake this is so completely ridiculous!
Can't we just have 3 toilets / changing rooms? - men's / women's / and trans-non-binary-whatever???

The transactivists do not accept this which makes it clear that the issue is not safety but validation. It's not about access to physical spaces - it is about access to women - they want the women there to validate their "womanhood". They are looking for universal validation that they are women. I haven't seen any feminists or women's groups opposing the creation of third space services or facilities. It's transactivists who oppose this.

There's the Canadian bloke (Christopher Hambrook) who was jailed for raping women in a domestic violence refuge. He was allowed in because he claimed to be a woman.

Canada has already passed this type of law, that's why he was able to gain access.

He's been put in jail indefinitely as he's deemed to be such a risk.

I think the story is easily found through Google. It happened in Toronto.

There is an interesting link here which lists some examples of real incidents of concern
www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5-times-transgender-men-abused-women-and-children-amanda-prestigiacomo&ved=0ahUKEwjLnejxx7vXAhXEORoKHRFVDWIQFggrMAI&usg=AOvVaw0KPQqCBqd-Y7Fmtk5oo8SM

And for parity, there is a counter argument about safety here
charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article70255967.html

"sources close to the equality minister, Justine Greening, said the consultation would not happen before December" The consultation on GRA reform has been delayed until the new year. Hopefully this means they are realising that the issues are not as simple as first thought.

Hopefully this means they are realising that the issues are not as simple as first thought.

Well since it is quite clear that the original proposals were written on the back of a fag packet, I sincerely hope so.

This is why it is so important we all go to our MP's and tell them what is happening in Canada and America and what being 'transgender' actually means.

Basic definations would be a good start.

What is a woman ?
What is a transgender person ?

I have heard anecdotally that a number of refuges in Canada are having problems with the behaviour of TIMs in women's refuges but it is very difficult for them to even speak about it because of the new law.

The same thing could be happening with the man referred to upthread who is taking a place in a women's shelter. It would be very difficult for anyone working in or volunteering in a male-inclusive women's shelter to be able to express any concern about it given the silencing and abuse by transactivists and the extent of the grip transactivists have on a large part of women's activism. They would likely be excommunicated from their activism groups.

My MP is Justine Greening. She wouldn’t meet me to talk about education issues and doubt she will engage on this!

I agree Babies that basic definitions are a good start. We also need information on a number of trans myths that seem to influence the views of those who think it all just doesn't matter. For example, there are the following myths:

• most TIMs are attracted to men therefore little risk of sexually assaulting women
• most TIMs have surgery to remove their penis and testicles whereas most have no surgery at all and some have variations of surgery that may not remove sexual function
• most TIMs are small, vulnerable individuals (as a PP said above) whereas (a) that's not the case and (b) they might be small by male averages but not by female averages.
• TIMs would never want to show their genitals in public because they just want to live their lives quietly whereas there are numerous reported incidents of TIMs exposing themselves to women

Also, there seems to be a belief that they are statistically insignificant and therefore should be overlooked. This goes against various statistics that demonstrate some areas where there is a massive difference between men and women where a relatively small number of TIMs could have a huge impact on the number of women. For example:

• Crime: sexual assaults - 98% male, non sexual assaults - 90% males: recording crimes by TIMs (same rates as other males) as crimes by females will distort the information we have about criminality and damage how we can address this as a society.
• Prisons: males in prison vs. females and their facilities: the numbers are so imbalanced that moving TIMs into the women's estate could mean TIMs make up up to 10% of the women's prison population.
• Sports: if sports were not sex segregated, for the vast majority of sports, there would be no women represented at the Olympic level (even if we had the same number of participants as currently in women's and men's sports). What number of TIMs are you willing to accept displacing female athletes?
• Business / Leadership: Already the highest paid "female" executive in the US is a TIM, by a long shot. There are more men named David on company boards than women. TIMs have won awards for women in politics and are able to get scholarships for women in STEM even though TIMs are overrepresented in STEM positions as it is.

I met up with my MP and he shares my concerns. Hurrah.

Please arrange to see your local MP. The meetings are private so no one else will know what you are talking about.

Honestly it was very easy to arrange and even if your MP does not agree with you, they will be polite.

Ring your MP and male an appointment asap

Interesting, I may look into doing this.

Sorry if you've said before (haven't had a chance to read the whole thread) but which party does your mp represent, just out of interest?

This thread has nothing to do with LGB rights

This has everything to do with LGB rights - although its impact will be felt much wider by women and girls as a whole.

Lesbian and gay non-gender-conforming children are being 'transed' (ie subjected to harmful medical treatment to try to 'correct' them into gender-conforming heterosexuals of the opposite sex).

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meet-alex-bertie-the-transgender-poster-boy-z88hgh8b8?shareToken=19d4331ca9cd49841fab6e0f0bc0dd36

The large number of male-bodied trans people who 'identify' as lesbians, dominate lesbian groups/spaces and are fighting against the 'oppression' of lesbians not wanting to have sex with penises ('the cotton ceiling' barrier of women's underwear which they want to smash their way through):

www.tgforum.com/wordpress/index.php/the-cotton-ceiling/

The view that lesbian and gay identity is inherently transphobic and wrong:

terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

The closing down of women's/lesbians' events:

www.curvemag.com/News/Michigan-Womyns-Music-Festival-to-End-after-40-Years-447/

Transdykes (heterosexual men who identify as lesbians) keeping lesbians 'in line' by wielding bats on lesbian marches and wearing t-shirts threatening violence against women, complete with fake blood:

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/06/27/transdykes-the-anti-lesbian-antifa/

I started out on the other side of this. I supported trans rights (in fact I still support the rights of trans people to be free from violence, abuse etc). I'm ashamed to admit I thought that those arguing against this were bigots.

Because I'd known transsexual people for years, I assumed that 'trans' rights was about them and it took me ages to figure out that 'trans' now meant something much bigger with a whole lot of different groups (including those with sexual, predatory and plain old misogynistic motives) having jumped on board.

I think being involved in the LGBT community and specifically being involved in lesbian groups (because such a large proportion of 'transwomen' identify as lesbians) I have seen the consequences a lot earlier than some people will - so, yes, I've seen completely male-bodied people with beards etc who identify as lesbians and I've seen a lot of creepy entitled behaviour towards women's bodies which comes from male socialisation.

Yet, it still took my ages to unravel it and to actually change my mind on this issue. I kept dismissing all the creepy behaviour as 'just that individual' rather than seeing the pattern. I struggled with how a male-bodied person with a penis, beard etc who didn't suffer from gender dysphoria was a woman but thought I needed to educate myself or defer to their understanding of their identity.

The things is I've dealt with creeps like that all my life - Men who've harassed me, who haven't respected my boundaries (particularly when they find out I'm a lesbian). Men who said things like 'I'm also a lesbian, just trapped in a man's body' (which we used to just roll ours eyes at 15 years ago). Men who say that lesbians who won't have sex with them are 'man haters'.

Now these same men have jumped on the trans bandwagon and suddenly they are the 'oppressed' ones, we don't have any safe spaces away from them (e.g. lesbian groups because they are 'lesbians' too) and saying we are 'transphobic' for not having sex with them suddenly has a lot more currency than the old 'man hater' tag.

I’m sure there’s been talk of this here at universities. It’s not just about letting folk live as they please or where they pee.

www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/16/transgender-athletes-wont-need-medical-proof-to-compete-with-identified-gender-in-new-jersey

Betty..from your www.tgforum.com/wordpress/index.php/the-cotton-ceiling/ link

I think I can get myself a cis women again.

Why is it always 'cis' women (and more specifically, 'cis' lesbians) they want? Given transwomen ARE women apparently, whats wrong with them learning to suck 'lady penis'. Afterall its no different. Surely. Its totally transphobic to say that a penis is not female and that the owner of a penis is not a 'real woman'. So all of these bepenised women should be shagging each other surely. Why specifically seek out 'cis' women?

We are not perverted men seeking to rape lesbians and turn them into slaves to the patriarchy. We — ARE women. We ARE females.
All we ask for is a chance to love who we want to love and be who we want to be…and for many transwomen — that is a woman. We are women. Love us like one.

Ugh. Its just awful. I see the transwoman who wrote this has dated transwomen, but for some reason is still seeking out 'cis' women. And seems very pissed off that lesbians are attracted to females, not males.

As someone stated upthread (and I've not RTFT so maybe more have also stated), women have far more to lose with this Gender Recognition Act than men. I can't see how it will affect men at all.

That's why women are up in arms about it. It is eroding women's rights and safety. The women speaking out against this are NOT against transgender individuals; they ARE for women's safely and respecting women's boundaries, which have rarely been respected historically.

As we have seen lately, there are SOME transgender 'activists' who clearly do not respect women's space and boundaries. Or safety. This is what we are worried about. They are behaving exactly like men have always behaved - attempting to take what they want by force.