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To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

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YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom · 07/11/2017 18:16

Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return? Angry

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 09/11/2017 14:41

I think what the trans movement probably are not aware of and many don’t care is the safety women/girls feel in female only spaces

Not all but many of us are a lot less guarded and we might even talk to women/girls we don’t know when we wouldn’t in other spaces

But sadly the trans movement seems to be run by loud outspoken and often bullish individuals who’s ideas of being a women seems all about performance and appearance

Still I am not back down and I think more and more women are concerned about this issue let’s just hope some MP’s start acknowledging what we feel is important and our concerns and our needs

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:41

Scabbersley

He might have more problems now. Because he has drawn attention to himself.

People are digging up his best friend calling little girls kinky and deviant.

And whereas there are many people who embrace the trans ideology, there aren’t many who embrace paedophilia.

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:43

I'm very slightly disappointed that there's been no PA "s/he" comments.

I bet you are.

redDiesel · 09/11/2017 14:43

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Datun · 09/11/2017 14:44

BatShite

Yes, you nailed it. The solution is only applied one way.

It’s astonishing how people don’t instantly see it.

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:48

Scabbersley

I'm sure Travis will be welcomed with open arms in that particular branch of Topshop. After swearing about the staff on Twitter and making them look bigoted an all.

I wonder how the actual sales assistant is dealing with it. That would be an awful position to be in. She is involved in sparking a huge debate.

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:51

Yes I was wondering that. Poor woman, what a bigot - taking the feelings of girls in their underwear into consideration an all. You know, their main customers?

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:55

The #BoycottTopShop Is trending at the moment.

Frankly, I’ve seen hardly anyone happy with this.

If they are outraged over this, can you imagine the outrage when they find out that the legal definition of women no longer exists.

CocoaXx · 09/11/2017 14:57

EgrariousPeach thanks for pointing out I was unintentionally being offensive, genuinely not intended (way back on page 34).

BatShite · 09/11/2017 14:58

If they are outraged over this, can you imagine the outrage when they find out that the legal definition of women no longer exists.

Yes people like Travis are helping the gender critical cause really by publicizing the madness. Same as the yobs who attacked Maria.

I do think most people would take issue with whats happening if they knew about it. Which is why it seems to usually be hushed up. And exactly why 'nodebate' is the catchphrase of the movement. as it falls apart with a tiny amount of thought, and they know it.

RosaTheOwl · 09/11/2017 15:01

RedDiesel "I would like you to use a little less of the "we" though as I sure as hell don't want people like you pretending to be a spokesman for women."

we live in a Parliamentary democracy. I write to MP about my views, not yours. You are free to do the same. Then they will (in theory, lol) use this feedback when debating a law change.

Datun · 09/11/2017 15:03

BatShite

I still wonder why MSM haven’t dipped their toes in the water and run a couple of articles about self identification.

Montythespookymouse · 09/11/2017 15:03

Out of interest I Googled Asda changing rooms earlier as I know they are unisex from what people have said.

These are just a few of the stories that came up but still people don't understand why I don't want to be in a general unisex changing if it's just a curtain.

t.co/xgjm9igq2z

t.co/g7gIo8oYdf

t.co/sjKT0e3zlc

t.co/yz40dr5XZq

t.co/oey8psxjke

t.co/s2aEMW3Pez

2018babyonboard · 09/11/2017 15:04

Snowflakes on both sides, to answer whoever asked. Most people do not care if they share the same space with someone of a different sex. E.g what if a shop has one cubicle only? Should the rest of the shop be made female only to protect your space because someone could be moving just outside? Where does it stop?

What about a female to male trans who has a penis? By your logic you don’t want anyone with a penis to be near you when you’re changing, but you think people should go in their biological changing rooms so where would they go?

Should we just make them get changed on the streets?

Someone who genuinely identifys as a woman would feel humiliated at being told to go into the men’s.

As for all this ‘woman’s safe spaces’ if you’re out and a bit scared of a man, do you go and hide in a changing room because the men’s can’t get you there? Of course you don’t, because a changing room is not there for your protection it’s there for you to get changed.

This thread makes me angry, I respect everyone’s got different opinions but some of the comments make me think, years ago people were having the same conversations about black people being allowed at the front of the bus, and gays having the right to marry. But what about the whites safe spaces? What about the biological need to marry the opposite sex? It’s backward thinking, don’t be scared of change and acceptance - try to embrace it and be open minded rather than assuming everyone is out to steal your rights and watch you get changed.

Jesus, the lifeguards at your local swimming pool get a better look at your tits than anyone could peeping through a curtain in a changing room. Should they be woman only?

I see this thread and I am not surprised that my friend felt it would be easier to end his life than deal with this constant judgement and non-acceptance and I prey to god that anyone struggling in the way that he was doesn’t see some of the comments here.

Datun · 09/11/2017 15:06

2018babyonboard

Have you actually read the thread? Because if you have read the thread and you still want to prioritise men’s feelings over women’s safety, then its pointless discussing it with you.

Pandapenguin · 09/11/2017 15:09

@2018 i don't understand what this has got to your friend? I'm not interested in men who think they are women i have my own problems. I couldn't care less - i just want them out of my space and to stop eroding my rights. They could get a trans changing room? Or prison? Or refuge? Whatever - i don't care, just not my biological woman space. Also love how the final approach always is a victim one 'everyone shut up cause my friend died'. Do you know how many transwomen kill women every year?

treaclesoda · 09/11/2017 15:09

Someone who genuinely identifys as a woman would feel humiliated at being told to go into the men’s.

Just as someone who is actually female might feel humiliated by having to accept male bodied people in the ladies changing room.

Funny how apparently only one of these groups of people apparently matter...

Montythespookymouse · 09/11/2017 15:14

Babyonboard all I want is proper solid doors rather than curtains so EVERYONE feels comfortable

Datun · 09/11/2017 15:15

But what about the whites safe spaces?

You’ve got this back to front. White people were the oppressors. In this case, men are the oppressors.

The accurate analogy would be the white people forcing themselves into the black peoples space and telling the black people to shut up.

Likewise gay marriage. Gay marriage did not erode the rights of 51% of the population.

Nor did they insist that they were actually straight and that straight people had got it all wrong.

Montythespookymouse · 09/11/2017 15:16

Just out of contact incidence the same tip shop store mentioned in the original tweet was the one where four women were sexually assaulted.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/four-women-sexually-assaulted-by-pervert-684229.amp

Oddmanout · 09/11/2017 15:16

babyonboard - but black people are a race of people, they're not black by choice. This is completely different as gender fluid people like Travis choose what sex to be based on how they feel on the day.

Anon8604 · 09/11/2017 15:16

But what about the whites safe spaces?

This is incredibly offensive. White people have no need for white-only spaces, either now or in the past, because Black people are the victims of racist violence, not the perpetrators.

Similarly, women are the victims of misogynistic violence, not the perpetrators.

Datun · 09/11/2017 15:17

A sex attacker pretended to be a security guard in a city-centre clothes store to prey on four women.

Whenever he doesn’t have to pretend to be anything.

Datun · 09/11/2017 15:18

*well now

BahHumbygge · 09/11/2017 15:27

This is what happens when you have "gender neutral" spaces... biological males, now with the aid of camera phones & such devices, peering over and under flimsy partitions and curtains spying and perving on women. Peeping toms have been around since the dawn of misogyny, now they can surreptitiously film their deeds and upload them to specialist voyeurism websites and forums.

The common denominator in this isn't "gender identity", it's "biological sex". Women must have sex-based boundaries and protections to counter this.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/06/u-of-t-bathrooms-voyeurism_n_8253970.html