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To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

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YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom · 07/11/2017 18:16

Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return? Angry

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Pandapenguin · 09/11/2017 14:06

@reddiesel is that you travis?

redDiesel · 09/11/2017 14:06

They aren't your boundaries.

You're free to boycott a shop (although I suspect the type of women who see this as a big issue are not Top Shop's target market) but telling a private enterprise that you have any kind of control over their shop is nonsense and a nice example of so much that has gone wrong with society.

They are changing rooms. They are not yours. They are not women's. They belong to Top Shop.

Do. You. Understand?

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:07

redDiesel

Perhaps you would like to explain why women’s boundaries make you so very angry?

pisacake · 09/11/2017 14:07

"Their 'flair' says FtM. So born female, identifies as male, attracted to men. Annoyed that people see them as a lesbian. And thinks men attracted to them are gay rather than straight. Its all so odd. "

No, that's not right (about the lesbian bit).

She is FTM and says she is 'gay as fuck'.

So she says she is a homosexual man because she is a transman who wants to have sex with men.

With me so far?

She is complaining that the hookup site is full of 'straight trans women'.

That is to say 'male homosexuals who dress up as women'.

What she is looking for on the site is:

(a) a man
(b) who wants to have sex with a man
(c) but she (the subject in (b)) is actually a woman

That doesn't sound too difficult, right, loads of straight blokes with lesbian fetishes?

But no, in fact, what she actually wants is:

(a) a fellow FtM transperson (i.e. a butch lesbian)

OR

(b) a gay man who likes vaginas.

She's bought into the 'genital preferences are transphobic ideology' - it's horrifically offensive for a heterosexual man to be attracted to her for being female.

www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/77fd6y/why_are_there_so_many_straight_trans_women_on/dolgkxq/

Also she's on a gay hookup site, and she complains that she's only matching with women. Except they aren't women, they are men. But they don't want to have sex with her because they like cock and she hasn't got one. And anyway she likes masculine-presenting men or masculine-presenting women, but not feminine-presenting men.

Also she's complaining that the 'straight' men who go on the site and seek out sex with transwomen (i.e. men) are perpetuating a stereotype that men who have sex with men are gay.

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:08

but telling a private enterprise that you have any kind of control over their shop is nonsense and a nice example of so much that has gone wrong with society.

What.like Travis did? Don't be silly.

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:09

They aren't your boundaries.

There is a name for people who argue against women’s boundaries.

We see you.

redDiesel · 09/11/2017 14:11

@Scabbersley

I think the fact you think a post with the single-word-reply "nope" is angry and aggressive says more than you imagine.

I'm neither angry nor aggressive. I'm slightly baffled, a little bewildered, a smidgen nonplussed but rather relaxed.

@Datun

I'm not angry. They aren't women's (as a sex) boundaries.

Do you think you should have a say over who is allowed in a shop's changing rooms or their policies? If so, why?

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:11

Travis didn't even listen when told by TOPSHOP staff that the changing rooms weren't for him. Get pissed off with Travis if people thinking they have control over shops rattles your cage so much.

StoatofDisarray · 09/11/2017 14:11

pisacake She should probably lay off the slash fiction and role playing for a while...

BatShite · 09/11/2017 14:12

My question is - who the fuck ever made any woman (unless she owns Top Shop) think she has any say over who is allowed to enter a changing room.

Men clearly have a say though. Given one man complains and the entire policy is changed Hmm

I have a feeling if it had been a gender fluid female making a fuss about wanting to be in the mens room, they would be laughed at and told to get a grip. Which should have been the reaction to this narcissistic prick tbh

I have only ever heard of one transman making a fuss about wanting into the male areas, and they did not get their way either. One. Seems to be a daily occurrence for some bloke to have a flounce about not getting his own way, and the old way being changed on account of the flounce.

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:12

Do you think you should have a say over who is allowed in a shop's changing rooms or their policies? If so, why?

Grin oh the irony

Beowulf007 · 09/11/2017 14:12

You change behind a locked door. What's the big deal? Only problem I see as a male is my queues will be bigger as women take AGES 😂

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:13

Do you think you should have a say over who is allowed in a shop's changing rooms or their policies? If so, why?

Again, asking women to defend their boundaries.

What is wrong with you?

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:14

Are you a weird little wizened male? What makes you think anything in topshop will fit you Grin

BatShite · 09/11/2017 14:15

pisacake

Fucking hell. I had to read that twice to make any sense at all of it, and I am still struggling.

a gay man who likes vaginas.

Good luck finding one of those. I know a lot of lesbians have been bullied into changing their sexualities but I really doubt many men would accept that its transphobic to be gay/straight.

Scabbersley · 09/11/2017 14:16

Do you think you should have a say over who is allowed in a shop's changing rooms or their policies? If so, why?

Erm because four of their target demographic live in my house?

Pandapenguin · 09/11/2017 14:16

@beowulf im confident travis would take longer than any woman while he sets to work trying on outfits which allow him to act out what he call's he's 15 year old girl look.

BahHumbygge · 09/11/2017 14:17

Discussing this on LBC now... listen live

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/player/

redDiesel · 09/11/2017 14:18

But they aren't women's boundaries. They're Top Shop's.

I don't have a problem. What's yours? That a man may be in the next cubicle to you? I don't have the inclination or patience to try and find out what you find so appalling about the situation.

I would like you to use a little less of the "we" though as I sure as hell don't want people like you pretending to be a spokesman for women.

BatShite · 09/11/2017 14:18

Also she's complaining that the 'straight' men who go on the site and seek out sex with transwomen (i.e. men) are perpetuating a stereotype that men who have sex with men are gay.

Men who want sex with men are gay. What nonsense is this? Gay clearly means attracted to people in trousers Grin Just like lesbians are attracted to dresses and tiaras.

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:18

“Only problem I see as a male...”

I’m not being funny or nothin...

Pandapenguin · 09/11/2017 14:18

@reddiesel YES i have a right to say who comes into changing rooms when i am in them. Travis isn't invited. I can link you some youtube videos outlining why if that's helpful for you.

Do. You. Understand. ?

Pandapenguin · 09/11/2017 14:19

@datun 🙈

Datun · 09/11/2017 14:19

redDiesel

If you have read the whole thread and don’t see the problem, then I can’t help you.

Pandapenguin · 09/11/2017 14:21

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