To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

[YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom]

Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return?

@Pandapenguin

No. I. Don't. Understand.

I'll happily read or watch something with a little more academic weight that a youtube video though. What "right"* do you have?

*and I mean legal as opposed to moral indignation

pisacake

Are you sure it’s not piss take? Like all these women identifiying as transwomen.

@reddiesel
m.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ

link outlines laws and problems. Legislation is also outlined in this thread - read it. I don't have time to repeat it at length for you whoever you are.

and I mean legal as opposed to moral

None.

Hence a thread that has almost instantly gone to a thousand posts and been quoted in the Daily Mail.

#upthepatriarchy

@Beowulf007

'You change behind a locked door. What's the big deal?'

The newly refurbished Top Shop with unisex changing they showed on the TV this morning was those annoying badly fitted curtains.

If it was a solid door as my children's school have done then I wouldn't care.

@pandapenguin.

Why resort to telling someone to fuck off? Why the call to find patterns?

Answer one question honestly, if you will.

Do you struggle to maintain meaningful relationships with people outside of your weekly 'womens group'?

Okay, two questions.

Do you realise that Top Shop is in the UK. Laws "in several states" have no bearing on anything being spoken about here.

Do you struggle to maintain meaningful relationships with people outside of your weekly 'womens group'?

Do you struggle to maintain meaningful relationships with people outside of your weekly 'womens group'?

Why do people never learn that they give themselves away with every word?

red

I’m going to have to assume that you are rubbish poker player.

@Datun

Wouldn't read the Mail. Don't know.

So, you're saying there's no 'right' and this is simply an ineffective complaint (contrary @Pandapenguin and her video)?

The pattern the red can’t recognise is that when people come along to justify why women shouldn’t have boundaries, it only endorses the opposite argument.

Always.

With tedious and predictable regularity.

Yawn.

So, you're saying there's no 'right' and this is simply an ineffective complaint

Yes to the first assertion, no to the second.

@Datun

I'm a great mathematician so can understand the odds but do apparently have significant tells.

I'm sure you're smirking at your wit but I have no idea if your methadone's kicked in or if it was a withering put down that flew over my head.

Actually, that’s not right. There is a clause in the equality act that does allow for exemptions. And changing rooms are included.

Still doing it red.

Keep going, because you’re just proving the point.

What happens for those women who's faith would make them uncomfortable changing in a unisex area?

I know my child has Muslim friends who shop at Topshop and no way could I see their parents allowing them to enter a uni sex changing area behind a flimsy curtain to get undressed and try on clothes. Some of them get changed in the toilets as it is.

@Datun

I think you misunderstand the idea of an exemption. It means that you can exclude people based on a protected characteristic, not that you should.

Yawn.

Ignore the troll

I'm sure Travis will be welcomed with open arms in that particular branch of Topshop. After swearing about the staff on Twitter and making them look bigoted an all.

It means that you can exclude people based on a protected characteristic, not that you should.

Correct.

Montythespookymouse

What happens for those women who's faith would make them uncomfortable changing in a unisex area?

Exactly.

@reddiesel because i do feel that way - a fuck off kind of way. Sorry if that's incovenient.

I can't answer your misogynist comment about weekly women's group, because I've never been in one. I care about these things by simple of virtue of the fact that I am a biological woman. And don't even think of calling me 'cis'.

I'm not actually arsed about unisex changing. Its the fact that women are being labelled hysterical and such for objecting to men in their changing room as its 'just a changing room' and such. When the change has came about because a man apparently was uncomfortable in the mens.

So what I see here is
Man: The mens is unsafe for me. Men are dangerous. They might look at me funny.
Topshop: OK. Men can go in the womens.
Women: Hold on. Men are dangerous. They might look at us funny. As he just said.
Topshop: NAMALT. Men are not a risk. Don't be silly. You are behind a door. Shop online if you have a problem.
Women:

I still have no idea what point I'm proving.

Or why you think this is an effective complaint.

Or what this has to do with poker.

I'm very slightly disappointed that there's been no PA "s/he" comments.