To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

[YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom]

Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return?

Why is acceptable to call trans people 'fetishists'?

Science.

www.annelawrence.com/autogynephilia_&_MtF_typology.html

phoenixAgainAgainAgain

Why is acceptable to call trans people 'fetishists'?

Because many are. You can divide transwomen into two types. Homosexual transsexuals and autogynephiles.

Autogynephilia (AGP) is a cross dressing fetish. And officially transgender, according to Stonewalls own website.

@phoenix it's acceptable because that's what many of them are.

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest - you’re in a private cubicle anyway, right? Men usually wait on sofas with a view right down the changing room aisle anyway in most shops I change in. What’s the difference?

Simply put, a man in a business suit, who says he identifies as a woman today, but isn't dressing as one, can walk into a female changing room to try on a pair of jeans, or a bra or whatever!
Women should not be made to feel weird by wanting areas where we can feel safe, especially women who have religious reasons, or women who have had mastectomies for example.

This stuff is so scary. Topshop decide to get rid of women’s changing rooms, not great but at least I can shop elsewhere.

What happens when my gym gets rid of the female changing room? What am I, as a woman who does not feel safe getting changed in front of men, supposed to do then? What about when my local swimming pool does the same? It’s like women are being excluded from public facilities if we feel unsafe sharing changing rooms or toilets with men. I honestly worry that soon I won’t be able to use gyms or swimming pools if this is the direction companies are following.

I think in addition to the personal safety arguments we shouldn't lose sight of the fact this is also about personal dignity and womens right to choose who they are around when in a state of undress.

I mean, I don't even want to change in front of or be naked around men who I know to be safe like close personal friends who are male or male members of my own family. And if anyone wants to call me uncool for that then they can fuck right off.

My body, my choice.

I’m guessing he is born male, identifies as female. Is attracted to men, but wants a straight man, not a gay man?

Their 'flair' says FtM. So born female, identifies as male, attracted to men. Annoyed that people see them as a lesbian. And thinks men attracted to them are gay rather than straight. Its all so odd.

Sexuality is about sex. Not fucking dress sense.

Either way, good to see someone moaning about the sexuality of men. Rather than the usual of whinging that lesbians don't want people with penises.

I won't be going in there on my own or with my dds now.

Most curtains in clothes shops don't shut entirely anyway. It's a fucking dreadful idea!

Why the fuck are the wants of a tiny minority put before the needs of the entire female race? It's madness.

Creeps, sleazes, weirdos do exist. I encounter them at work. It's utterly bizzare that we have this crazy movement to totally annihilate any privacy that females have or to even pretend that we are all non gender just a race of genderless humans all bunched in together

What happens when my gym gets rid of the female changing room? What am I, as a woman who does not feel safe getting changed in front of men, supposed to do then? What about when my local swimming pool does the same? It’s like women are being excluded from public facilities if we feel unsafe sharing changing rooms or toilets with men. I honestly worry that soon I won’t be able to use gyms or swimming pools if this is the direction companies are following.

This is something that happened at my gym. I used a female only place not really for safety but because I found exercising when men were there tended to draw a lot of gawping (I have very large tits which didn't help). This gym started letting men in (in the form of 'transwomen'). And it is now actually closed as their business dropped pretty much overnight. Given most of the members were members specifically as there were not men there. There was already a large mixed gym in the area which tbh was much better in terms of equipment, the only reason the female only one had custom was because it was female only to start with so closing was inevitable really. Not sure how they couldn't see this.

I am now a member at another female only gym. That does not accept males at present but I am expecting it. Given its so horrific for females to want any space away from males.

TheQuestingVole

I was thinking about that yesterday. I wouldn’t want to share changing facilities with, say, my father-in-law, or my son’s best friend.

And yes, there are shops that have unisex changing facilities. I’m thinking of GAP.

But firstly, they have lockable doors and they are quite roomy.

Secondly, I would still prefer a woman’s only area.

You sometimes want to come out of the cubicle and look in the long mirror. To turn round to look at your bum, or stand sideways or get a view from a distance.

It’s very much nicer to be able to do that away from the male gaze.

Occasionally other women join the conversation. You might ask a shop assistant, or another shopper what do you think?

No way do I want some bloke commenting in that situation. It doesn’t matter what he says.

And there will always be one wag.

I like female only changing facilities.

And up until now, it’s been widely understood that they have merit.

Women are not pushing for this change. Why should we have to change everything because men say so.

There is always a gap where the curtain doesn't close which I try and hold shut. Utter crap this is. I don't want unfamiliar boys/men around when I'm changing.

@Datun et al

It just sounds so derogatory.

I realise that that's how it's probably being used by some posters but it definitely sounds sneery and quite nasty.

@thequestioningvole this is what travis tweeted to topshop 'who made you in charge of who's woman enough to use female changing rooms' something along those lines. My question is - who the fuck made travis think he was ever invited to the women's changing rooms by women, who does HE think he is.

BatShite

God. I would never have got that in a million years.

Not that I have darkened Topshop's doors in many a long year (too fat and old), but I certainly won't again.

What a crock of shite.

Wow that reddit thread sounds quite creepy in places

Trust me, I'm there...I WANT a nice guy to hold me and feel desire. Uncontrollable desire for me and be at the mercy of his need and love. But, I have felt that so long, at this point I'll take any decent, clean penis that's willing to be inside me for me to feel plowing my untended fields for as long as they can hold out! Lol

Its a refreshing change though, that these transwomen seem to want to be with men. As near all transwomen on reddit seem to be 'lesbian'. I think its wrong though to expect anyone to basically, fight their sexuality, just to validate you as something you are not. Which seems to be whats expected.

phoenixAgainAgainAgain

That’s because AGP is a misogynistic fetish. It relies on viewing women as victims, weak, to be humiliated and subordinated (See forced Feminisation, cissification).

It’s also arousing for an individual with AGP to force people to call them by a female pronoun and to be in female spaces. It’s arousing to force the acceptance.

So, if you are seeing it framed in a negative light, it’s because women don’t want to be the unwilling and unconsenting participants in a man’s fetish.

@Pandapenguin

My question is - who the fuck ever made any woman (unless she owns Top Shop) think she has any say over who is allowed to enter a changing room.

My question is - who the fuck ever made any woman (unless she owns Top Shop) think she has any say over who is allowed to enter a changing room

The law.

Hellomary - "Why the fuck are the wants of a tiny minority put before the needs of the entire female race? It's madness."

Because this is the UK and minorities always come before the needs of others. Not equal to as it should be, but before. It's positive discrimination.

"Scabbersley"

Nope.

redDiesel

My question is - who the fuck ever made any woman (unless she owns Top Shop) think she has any say over who is allowed to enter a changing room.

And there you have it. Women, your boundaries are not yours to maintain.

Yes, separate male and female changing rooms in shops are not included in the equalities act. Also, the sign that says 'women's changing' seems fairly unequivocal. I don't happen to believe that a man is a woman just because he says he is.

reddiesel you sound angry and aggressive. Calm down dear.