AIBU to think the NHS should not be recommending hysterectomy to young girls

[pisacake]

NHS handout for 'young trans people in the UK'

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/17-15-02-A-Guide-For-Young-People.pdf

'Surgical Options'

"Hysterectomy
This surgery involves the removal of the interior female sexual organs. This prevents the risk of cancer and forever prevents periods or risk of pregnancy"

Sounds awesome doesn't it!

Here's the NHS advice on taking drugs

"Hormone Blockers
If blockers (or anti-androgens) are taken when younger, the effects from puberty are likely not to occur and a more passable body is likely to result."

Yes, that's right kids you can just skip puberty, and be Peter Pan. It's a brave new world where you are stuck with a micropenis for the rest of your life.

And what if your stupid parents don't agree?

"If you are under 16 a lot will depend on gaining the full support from your parents. In other countries hormone blockers can be given to younger transsexual people which will prevent the onset of unwanted secondary sex characteristics. This may mean that you look further than the UK for medical intervention. It would be undesirable to buy hormones over the internet without fully knowing what you are buying."

That's right kids! You can suppress those pesky unwanted secondary sex characteristics' by buying hormones on teh internetz. Yay NHS! Yay Aneurin Bevan!

And boys, thinking of becoming girls, it's NOTHING to worry about, you can chop off your balls and turn your dick inside out, it's perfectly normal! It will even improve your health, everything is awesome!

""Orchidectomy is the removal of the testes. This operation means that testosterone will no longer be naturally produced in the body and therefore you can do without your testosterone blocker. In general, the lower the dose of any drug the lower the health risks you will have. "

"Technology for SRS is quite advanced and with good surgery even gynaecologists are said to find it hard to distinguish a constructed vagina from a natal one. "

A constructed vagina huh? You mean like a sex toy? www.lovehoney.co.uk/sex-toys/male-sex-toys/pocket-vaginas/ I hear they are pretty realistic too.

This is NHS advice, albeit I don't think any doctor actually reviews this stuff before they print it, there seems to be an attitude that it would be transphobic to have any of this written by mainstream medics, so let's just let a self-selecting group of people with loud voices do it. (Like the group Mermaids, who are recommended in the handout, and who basically consist of one woman who took her son to Thailand at 16 to have 'bottom surgery'.)

And don't think all these pamphlets and websites telling you that hysterectomy and puberty blocking are awesome have no effect on kids. Nope, there is a MASSIVE increase in kids identifying as trans.

Here's an article today from St Albans www.hertsad.co.uk/news/increase-in-trans-support-is-offered-as-child-gender-fluidity-rises-in-st-albans-district-1-5264057

Lots and lots of girls deciding they are boys because "He wouldn’t wear knickers and refused to play with girls’ toys" and the NHS happily supporting that. (That biologically female child is seven-years-old, and per the NHS handout above you will get GREAT results, by taking puberty blockers follow by testosterone, which "offers very effective masculinisation for FTMs". Apparently said child is "adamant he will grow up and get married and be the husband and daddy and he will have a wife". )

There is obviously no meaningful consent possible by pre-pubescent child to puberty blocking, because they have no real conception of what puberty hormones would do to their body AND brain. But apparently there is no concern whatsoever about this, because EVERYTHING IS AWESOME when you're trans. So much better than being a boring old 'cis' female with periods and cancer and pregnancy and all those silly 'ciswoman' problems.

@datun true but i really do not think anyone will stop this wave. I honestly think it will only stop when the 'bad' outcomes arise. So about 5-10 years time.

I also think it's important to remember a lot of the children who go through this are enabled and supported and actually sometimes encouraged by their parents (think of all the threads on here where people are over excited and blabbing on about gender neutral dresssing as a 'new' concept) i mean it's kind of fashionable in some parents eyes to do this. So you're up against parents, equalities acts and children who will actively shout down anyone who disagrees.
Interestingly I haven't seen so much of this in Europe, Australia, Ireland etc. Seems to be mainly an American / UK thing in terms of schools and publicity involved. I might be wrong statistically but just from what i've seen and friends who are teachers that seems to be how it is currently.

Datun, you make so much sense.

I often wonder if I would be on testosterone if born 5 years ago instead of 50. I always wanted to be a boy, boys had more fun, better toys, better clothes and were allowed to do so much more than girls.

Never for one moment though did I feel I was a boy. Despite having a boys name, a boys haircut and always trying to wear hand me downs from my brother or gender neutral clothes (now that was a term I never heard except in the last year/two).

"Interestingly I haven't seen so much of this in Europe, Australia, Ireland etc. "

Australia has it big time. www.heraldsun.com.au/news/transgender-teen-quinn-to-have-double-mastectomy-before-becoming-male/news-story/5d7c83c9292cf32e5393d54908ef03a7

jezebel.com/5239012/17-year-old-granted-permission-for-double-mastectomy

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/fighting-for-isabelle-the-battle-for-transgender-kids-to-get-access-to-crosssex-hormones/news-story/1083395b247646e0db8b6888a5d8334e

@pisa i did not know that, global movement targeting children then it seems!

reminder- nowhere in the pamphlet does it advise young girls to have a hysterectomy. try reading it all

I am so glad I am not a kid today.

Me too OrderMeACurry I played with Meccano, climbed trees, football, rowing, swimming, dancing, rounders and all were with members of the opposite sex! Gender roles are so restrictive now it's a nightmare!

And to become a woman is a nightmare too apparently, but you can now have the designer vagina without the messiness of pregnancy and periods - but only if you are born natal male. There is something very sinister happening.

"nowhere in the pamphlet does it advise young girls to have a hysterectomy. "

it literally says it will prevent cancer and stop periods and 'risk of pregnancy'. They don't give any reason NOT to have a hysterectomy, it's presented as a good thing.

Does anyone know if any research has been done on the long term physical effects of blocking puberty? I only ask as I work in veterinary medicine and recent research has shown than neutering before puberty removes the hormones required for growth plate closure which can result in overly long bones leading to hip and back problems as well as bone cancers in specific breeds. I think fucking around with hormones in children is madness but I would hope there has at least been some decent research in this area?

@scrabble the research is now - experimenting on these children who are some of the first to sign up the latest hormone blocker drugs. The evidence will follow soon enough i imagine...

@scrabble - i mean sign up at such a young age. As far as i know this wasn't being done until fairly recently.

Young women, prepubescent girls who take puberty blockers will halt the development of breasts and reproductive organs. Once off the blockers puberty quickly kicks in. If puberty blockers are taken with testosterone it will result in the atrophy of the internal female organs and then fertility will be very difficult to restore - almost impossible.

Encouraging breast removal of young women is abuse as is all the rest of it. It's a class action waiting to happen.

@elendon asides from the possible psychological and reproductive implications - does anyone know if there are general health risks around taking these drugs? There are parents with vegan kids and non toxic toilet cleaner no chemicals anywhere type thing and then there are those with kids taking synthetic hormones when their bodies and brains are in the final stages of delicate development. Just makes me wonder will they develop problems / disease as a result, or be more likely to.

I'm sure such experiments were done in concentration camps, especially in twins.

I feared as much Thetoothyteeth. There is no research is there . And aside from the health issues there'll be no free mental health care when these kids come to need it either.

Well psychological and reproductive sequelae is part of general health. It's a very important part of health and well being. As for the other, no one really knows yet - though experiments were done a lot on twins in the concentration camps.

It was part of the US eugenics programme too.

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/10/31/360355784/payments-start-for-n-c-eugenics-victims-but-many-wont-qualify

Also there was a case where a woman successfully sued for being given a hysterectomy without being advised of the alternatives. law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/supreme-court/1984/9708.html

Mermaids are pro medicalisation. They are a pressure group. They have no medical qualifications at all.

When I started to read about them, I thought it would be a good thing for parents to have a support group. But then things didn’t add up.

Why are they so pro hormone treatment? We’ve had several parents on here who said it’s either their way or the highway.

One of their representatives slipped up in a video and called homosexuality deviant. Filming from a camp for transgender children. Which, just doesn’t feel right. If you want to bring up your child as gender nonconforming, I can understand you wanting to mix with like-minded individuals. But that’s not the same as transgender.

Two of the specialists they recommend - one is a doctor who has been suspended pending investigation for sterilising a 12-year-old, among other things. And the other is a stand-up comedian and life coach.

They were involved in a court case where the judge said they needed to keep away from the family in question. They go to pride week with puppies and sweets to engage with youngsters.

I’m not suggesting there is any kind of paedophilia involved, but they are very pro an agenda that I can’t work out.

They misled about suicide statistics. Claiming that a study of 2000 people demonstrated suicide statistics, when in fact it was 27 people.

Why?

Why don’t the facts speak for themselves? Why do they have to promote anything?

I would be very sceptical about any information that they were behind. I would want to know the facts for myself.

fairplayforwomen.com/mermaids-tg-lying-unprofessional

with good surgery even gynaecologists are said to find it hard to distinguish a constructed vagina from a natal one

Said by who? Lying activists, and no-one else. A gynaecologist could tell the difference with their eyes closed.

This woman had to battle for 4 with medics to be sterilised at 30:
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/i-fought-a-four-year-battle-with-the-nhs-to-be-sterilised-at-30/

Yet hysterectomies are being promoted as an option to young people alongside drugs that will sterilise them?

ScrabbleFiend

There is a poster who has been on puberty blockers with devastating side-effects.

You can see her posting on this thread.

Today at 6.58. TammySwansonTwo

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3078526-To-be-shocked-at-the-sheer-amount-of-hatred-and-ignorance-about-transpeople-on-mumsnet

It’s not good enough to talk to our children.

"AIBU?"

Yes.

Or more accurately, no not at all.

ScrabbleFiend - Does anyone know if any research has been done on the long term physical effects of blocking puberty?

Puberty blockers are basically cancer drugs used off label. As well as trans children, they are used for delaying precocious puberty and for endometriosis in adult women.They cause serious health problems, such that the NHS don't recommend adult women take them for more than 6 months unless also taking HRT.

Can the post op individuals reach orgasm. In all the talk of forming vaginas / removing testes can they only perform or does it produce the usual feelings of pleasure. This isn’t discussed in what I’ve read.