AIBU to think the NHS should not be recommending hysterectomy to young girls

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NHS handout for 'young trans people in the UK'

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/17-15-02-A-Guide-For-Young-People.pdf

'Surgical Options'

"Hysterectomy
This surgery involves the removal of the interior female sexual organs. This prevents the risk of cancer and forever prevents periods or risk of pregnancy"

Sounds awesome doesn't it!

Here's the NHS advice on taking drugs

"Hormone Blockers
If blockers (or anti-androgens) are taken when younger, the effects from puberty are likely not to occur and a more passable body is likely to result."

Yes, that's right kids you can just skip puberty, and be Peter Pan. It's a brave new world where you are stuck with a micropenis for the rest of your life.

And what if your stupid parents don't agree?

"If you are under 16 a lot will depend on gaining the full support from your parents. In other countries hormone blockers can be given to younger transsexual people which will prevent the onset of unwanted secondary sex characteristics. This may mean that you look further than the UK for medical intervention. It would be undesirable to buy hormones over the internet without fully knowing what you are buying."

That's right kids! You can suppress those pesky unwanted secondary sex characteristics' by buying hormones on teh internetz. Yay NHS! Yay Aneurin Bevan!

And boys, thinking of becoming girls, it's NOTHING to worry about, you can chop off your balls and turn your dick inside out, it's perfectly normal! It will even improve your health, everything is awesome!

""Orchidectomy is the removal of the testes. This operation means that testosterone will no longer be naturally produced in the body and therefore you can do without your testosterone blocker. In general, the lower the dose of any drug the lower the health risks you will have. "

"Technology for SRS is quite advanced and with good surgery even gynaecologists are said to find it hard to distinguish a constructed vagina from a natal one. "

A constructed vagina huh? You mean like a sex toy? www.lovehoney.co.uk/sex-toys/male-sex-toys/pocket-vaginas/ I hear they are pretty realistic too.

This is NHS advice, albeit I don't think any doctor actually reviews this stuff before they print it, there seems to be an attitude that it would be transphobic to have any of this written by mainstream medics, so let's just let a self-selecting group of people with loud voices do it. (Like the group Mermaids, who are recommended in the handout, and who basically consist of one woman who took her son to Thailand at 16 to have 'bottom surgery'.)

And don't think all these pamphlets and websites telling you that hysterectomy and puberty blocking are awesome have no effect on kids. Nope, there is a MASSIVE increase in kids identifying as trans.

Here's an article today from St Albans www.hertsad.co.uk/news/increase-in-trans-support-is-offered-as-child-gender-fluidity-rises-in-st-albans-district-1-5264057

Lots and lots of girls deciding they are boys because "He wouldn’t wear knickers and refused to play with girls’ toys" and the NHS happily supporting that. (That biologically female child is seven-years-old, and per the NHS handout above you will get GREAT results, by taking puberty blockers follow by testosterone, which "offers very effective masculinisation for FTMs". Apparently said child is "adamant he will grow up and get married and be the husband and daddy and he will have a wife". )

There is obviously no meaningful consent possible by pre-pubescent child to puberty blocking, because they have no real conception of what puberty hormones would do to their body AND brain. But apparently there is no concern whatsoever about this, because EVERYTHING IS AWESOME when you're trans. So much better than being a boring old 'cis' female with periods and cancer and pregnancy and all those silly 'ciswoman' problems.

If society decided it was ok to sterilise Jewish kids I'd be campaigning against that as well.

born No, I’ m afraid the NHS is only too keen to push hysts at women for gynae problems. I’ve linked on a parallel thread a parliamentary report outlining the lack of choices women are offered.

This thread is full of hysterical clickbait

Why do people have to stop talking about this? Its poor advice.

Some of you are actually fucking vile.

And some people are trolly goady fuckers.

If these threads bother you so much then don't bloody read them and certainly don't reply to them. And quit being one of those trolly goady fuckers I mentioned above.

I am so glad I am not a kid today.

It's not hysterical. The number of children being referred to GIDS is up 2500% in 8 years. www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-how-many-children-are-going-to-gender-identity-clinics-in-the-uk

There are currently believed to be 800 children on prescribed puberty blockers in the UK (excludes the ones this NHS pamphlet helpfully suggests you can buy online), that will increase and increase and increase.

The hysteria is not from the people criticising this.

I just can;t believe any of this when the NHS is supposedly short of money. It must be costing millions to "treat" people like this. Time to reign back the NHS to actually treating injuries and illnesses rather than social issues.

‘ In other countries hormone blockers can be given to younger transsexual people which will prevent the onset of unwanted secondary sex characteristics. This may mean that you look further than the UK for medical intervention.‘

So in other words the UK doesn’t permit that? So why is an nhs leaflet advising people to go to a country with more lax laws to give children access to puberty blockers??

That’s so screwed up

Wouldn't it just be lovely if all these organisations and health providers could all just get together and instead create some massive campaign that instead of trying to explain all these "deviations" in people outside the boxes, could just encourage People to be who they are. That none of this matters that people aren't categories they are people with a billion different ideas and thoughts and preferences for things.

Somewhere between nursery and yr 2 my dd somehow went from no sodding idea and doing what she likes to telling me this very morning that she hopes no one thinks her trousers are for boys

If we could just pin down that moment they started to think these things we could save these children so much pain . .

Jesus. 7. 7!! That’s child abuse. Perhaps this one child will end up trans as they are adamant atm. But not every child, who identifies with the opposite sex during their childhood. I’ve read on here stats suggesting 90% of people reconcile with their sex. Therefore for every one child, who is correctly treated, 9 will be misdiagnosed.

FFS that pamphlet is produced by Mermaids???

They are not scientifically or medically based

They are an early intervention/ early access to drugs and surgery activist group

educate yourself and your kids from all sources. Read Mermaids and Read these

www.transgendertrend.com/
4thwavenow.com/

the forum on 4th wave is enlightening as to how many parents are failing to be able to deal with this, despite posters on here being all 'just worry about your own kid'

its quite clear people are only reading the goady content from op

try reading the whole pamphlet- its written by a mixed group of young people with varying "conditions" with the aim of providing clear, non biased information in an easy to read pamphlet to parents and younf people in the situation.

nowhere is it telling anyone to do anything and in fact warns of the serious nature of hormone treatments and surgical treatment and advises lots of time spent deciding what is best for the individual as it varies by individual.

its not advising 4 year olds get hysterectomies or anything like that

The NHS is promoting it because it's evidence-based. Just like everything else that comes out in NICE guidance. There is excellent research on well-being and physical and psychological outcomes after gender reassignment surgery, including for young people.

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

The NHS doesn't listen to MN. They create policy based on research and that's how services are funded. Thank god.

yes Mummyoflittledragon
they will not be misdiagnosed, but they may well be sterile and sugically altered by the time they realise

Or, even more likely, they might turn out to be on the autistic spectrum, because many autistic people dont 'feel' gender, because it is a non logical set of rules made up by society and acted out by the majority of people

This recent survey of 200 girls who detransitioned is scary. 6 x the population average of kids IDing as trans have ASD, and 30X the population average amongst those who later detransitioned/ Thats a bloody huge number of ASD kids who realised it was a big mistake

desisterresister.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/survey-of-co-morbid-mental-health-in-detransitioned-females-analysis-and-results/

you mean like they listened to a broad range of views during the consultation process for the review of the GRA?

"FFS that pamphlet is produced by Mermaids???"

No, it's made by

"a group of young trans people aged between 15 and 22, living in the UK. After having been involved with the ‘Sci:dentity Project’ (an arts project for trans youth), we worked in conjunction with ‘Gendered Intelligence’ to produce this booklet"

(I love how an ARTS project is called SCIdentity. )

"Funded by the Department of Health as part of its Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Advisory Group’s work programme With Support From Wellcome Trust"

Gendered Intelligence "is a Community Interest Company whose object is to deliver arts programmes and creative workshops to trans youth from across the UK"

"Our vision is of a world where people are no longer constrained by narrow perceptions and expectations of gender, and where diverse gender expressions are visible and valued."

So being told to grow long hair to look like a woman and to make a 'constructed vagina' is no longer being constrained by narrow perceptions of gender?

Mermaids didn't make the pamphlet, but they are obviously recommended in it, because who would let a little thing like being told by a judge not to trans a young child stop them?

"The NHS is promoting it because it's evidence-based. Just like everything else that comes out in NICE guidance."

You what? It literally says it was made by a bunch of arts students.

It’s evidence based to suggest that because puberty blockers may not be available to you in the UK (presumably because of Uk guidelines regarding their use and safety) you should go abroad???

Yeah, go abroad for treatment is brilliant evidence based advice that should be in an nhs booklet and anyone who has a problem with it is obviously hysterical.

That’s on page 20 of the booklet by the way, the booklet I read through.

Seriously, does anyone not see any single connection between 50 children a week showing up at identity clinics, and leaflets like this been disseminated throughout schools?

Gender dysphoria is a real and crippling illness. Statistically, 37 children annually would have been diagnosed with it. Meanwhile over 2000 a year are being referred for gender identity confusion.

No one is denying that gender dysphoria exists, and should be diagnosed and treated.

But it is at that point, that this leaflet should be read (revised to take out all the coy language and out right lies).

Not handed out willy-nilly to children who suddenly wonder whether or not there is something wrong with them because they like the toys of the opposite sex.

And since there is no medical test to diagnose gender dysphoria, it is all about what the child says.

Also that study is absolutely ridiculous

"A total of 55 young transgender adults (22 transwomen and 33 transmen) who had received puberty suppression during adolescence were assessed 3 times: before the start of puberty suppression (mean age, 13.6 years), when cross-sex hormones were introduced (mean age, 16.7 years), and at least 1 year after gender reassignment surgery (mean age, 20.7 years)"

How can they possibly conclude it was successful at age 20? They've got 60 more years to live through.

People like David Reimer who was transed in the 60s as a child (by a paedophile psychologist who literally defined the current sex/gender ideology)and proclaimed as a success ended up killing himself at 39. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

It's very obviously stupid to proclaim that because these kids were happier at 20.7 than 13.6, therefore the therapy is effective. I hated myself and had bad body image and wanted to die when I was 13.6. It's really shit being a teenager.

At 20.7 I did not have such feelings.

You cannot conclude anything about these drugs based on such obviously flawed studies.

This doesn't at all stick in my craw that at 38 I can't be sterilised in case "I meet a new partner and change my mind".

What a surprise there are yet more ways dilute women's rights yet further

I'm really disappointed that the advice doesn't say that urologists will find it difficult to distinguish between a natal penis and a reconstructed one. No mention of the prostate or the bladder - you would have to see an urologist if you developed prostate trouble, not a gynaecologist - and why would a gynaecologist need to see a man who is now surgically without his penis and testicles?

And thank you OP for raising this. I had no idea this was NHS advice. It's a bloody disgrace!

Apparently this document dates from 2007 <a class="break-all" href="http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_074258" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_074258 (although it's still online and being disseminated)

So this predates the massive rise in GIDS referrals.

Clearly such government-issued 'advice' is having an effect, in 10 years we have gone from very rarely hearing about trans kids to it being a daily occurrence, and huge increases in the load on the NHS.