To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

Okay so here’s what I’m getting from you lot so far: “Well I don’t hate trans people but I don’t want them in any of my spaces, they’re not real women, I think it’s a bit weird, I don’t want to really allow them to fit into the gender they choose, I’m not trans so i don’t get it”

Someone: that’s quite transphobic and you are jumping to conclusions without considering actual facts

You lot: do you not cARE!?!?! About women?????

No laws have been past allowing people to just “tick boxes” so I think fearing something that hasn’t even happened or is being seriously talked about is both paranoid and pointless.

I'm not sure where you've been this past year, but it is being seriously talked about:

People to be allowed to pick their own gender without doctor's diagnosis, under Government plans

Exactly. The OP does not have a bloody clue what is going on re the law and trans.

I hope you’ve learnt something from this thread OP.

YANBU, OP. MN is highly transphobic and it’s really quite sad.

OH X posted.

No, you’ve clearly learnt nothing from this thread!

Answer the questions then.

Why is it transohobic to be fearful of men invading women's spaces.

This is very likely to happen talks are underway it's just a matter of time and people like you about down any concerns as transohobia

So what do I tell my dd in a few months time in the final group change at her swim lesson ? Shall I tell her she is transohobic for not wanting a full grown man in there cos he says he's a women

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I don't hate transpeople. I just hate the way their gains are at our expense.

curiousity I care very much about women and transwomen...that's why I am so against the law change that is currently being debated right now.

If this law change goes ahead then It's not just women who will suffer; transsexuals will suffer too.

In this instance “phobia” and “hatred” appear to mean “let me have my way without question you big meanies and I will hit you if you don’t!” A discussion and conflict resolution style generally grown out of by the average five year old.

Of course they’re not real women, if they were, they wouldn’t be trans. Are you really this dense?

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday people are yet to back up their faux concern about rape in women only spaces happening because of transwomen, many many people have commented about “basic biology” congratulations let me introduce you to “advanced biology” which is that mental illnesses such as gender dysphoria are the cause of transgenderism and it’s not really as simple as looks at penis or vagina wow I’m a women or a man

MNHQ massive thank you for continuing to allow these discussions to happen here when they are shut down in so many places. I'm sure you get a lot of flack for it

'But you don’t support it do you stop lying to yourself. “Dress as a human” “person with a male body is actually not a woman”

You’re intolerant to it and you don’t support it at all otherwise you would use more respectful language, save it.

Also as posters are repeatedly asking (not sure why it is relevant) no I am not a transwoman.'

Why are you insisting that this poster thinks something contrary to what she has said? And if you aren't trans, why do you also insist you know what trans people think? It's really arrogant to believe you know what other people are thinking, when, obviously, you can't possibly know.

Exactly - gender dysphoria is a mental illness. A mental illness doesn't suddenly render biology obsolete and turn a male into a female.

You think being trans is a mental health problem?
Well that’s means you’re transphobic according to trans activists

sleighbellend It’s not about being biologically born with female chromosomes, it’s about being kind and not denying people the right to feel comfortable in themselves because you have misconceptions on these people.

Trans only means they are transitioning between the gender they were and the gender they would like to be. They don’t remain in that transition stage forever so i’m not sure why you are calling me dense.

OP You can't say that transgender ism is a mental illness! That's incredibly transphobic! I should report your post right there....

I think judging all transexuals based on the terrible actions of a few is the same as having an opinion on all men by judging weinstein or all muslims based on isis

Do you genuinely think that a male can become a female, and vice versa?

Calling gender dysphoria a mental illness makes YOU the transphobe OP, according to current ideology. You are also unaware, I take it, that those who are transgender and want mental health support are finding it in short supply and this will be even more the case if the proposed law is passed.

But there is a difference between gender and sex.

You can’t change sex.

OP. People are yet to back up their faux concern about rape in women only spaces happening because of trans

There’s been examples of cases of this on this thread- prisons etc. You’ve obviously not reading your own thread properly

curiousity you do realise that people with gender disphoria and transsexuals are suffering here too, right? Or do you just not give a shot about that as long as you can pretend to be so right on?

Why are you not answering questions?

Why are you just insulting people?

There are multiple cases of women being beaten in sport by transwoman. Is that fair?

Laurel Hubbard- just Google

Women prisoners raped in prison by a transwoman with a fully functional penis

Faux concern? Really?