To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

Describing women as people with vaginas is not any kind of phobic, it's biology. And it's misogynistic to suggest we should avoid using proper terms to describe our anatomy.

Also, using Jazz Jennings as a positive example of a trans person is so utterly ludicrous I can't believe anyone would suggest it. That poor child has been manipulated and exploited by people who, frankly, should be investigated for child abuse.

sleighbellend Did you miss the part where she repeatedly stated of her own accord that she has felt female since around 3 years old and she is almost at adulthood now so I think she is sure. What an utterly transphobic pile of shit you just uttered.

“And for gods sake nobody thinks that trans women want to go into the toilets to harm women, people are saying if all you have to say to go into a female space is ‘I am female’ then that opens the doors for men who do want to harm women.” actually i think youll find a lot of the women on this thread do think transwomen would go into toilets to harm women. Nowhere has it even been said that it would be as simple as “just saying” you’re a woman. Do you know anything of the transitioning process at all?

“I support the right of any man to dress as a woman if he chooses, to change his name if he chooses. To seek help for gender dysphoria, to have surgery if he wishes. And to not be subjected to violence or intimidation because of that. What I don't support is the changing of UK law so that any man can tick a box on a form and say he is a woman. And to insist that if I say such a person with a male body is actually not a woman, that I am guilty a hate crime”

But you don’t support it do you stop lying to yourself. “Dress as a human” “person with a male body is actually not a woman”

You’re intolerant to it and you don’t support it at all otherwise you would use more respectful language, save it.

Also as posters are repeatedly asking (not sure why it is relevant) no I am not a transwoman.

AT LAST. The nasty, bigoted or entirely dismissive replies to you post (and all the TERFs who have probably reported it (because being ok with trans people killing themselves is fine, questioning it isn't) ) will give you your answer.
It sickens me.

Oh btw also not trans. But I try to be a decent human being.

So you aren't worried at all about this new bill then and the fact that men will be able to so easily self identify into women's spaces. This hurts trans people too btw who will be free to abuse them in the ladies now instead. curry pointed this out earlier but of course being a goady F you ignored a post from an actual transwoman om e who has repeatedly been honest and supoortive of women's rights and knows full well no one views her and people like her as the actual problem.

So are you happy op to have men in your safe space on the say so of a box they ticked?

Oh btw also not trans

In that case you have no right to speak on behalf of trans people and you have no right to think you know what they want or think.

So why don't you just say what you mean: women no longer are able to define themselves. Men have defined themselves into women.

We had no say.

You think we must just shut up about it because a bunch of misogynist men have decided it's "hate speech" to question it.

You are obeying these men, following their guidance. Good on you. Well I am employing critical thinking thanks.

Interesting that you're silent about the lesbophobia post.

What with everything that’s happening in the world at the moment re sex assaults/rapes etc, with women finally being listened to, women’s only spaces need protecting. Not invading be trans.

If you want to be trans, good for you, just keep out of my female only spaces and instead of directing your anger at women, campaigner for your own safe spaces!

I think that the problem is that some posters consider disagreeing with trans ideology to be transphobic.

To me, material reality is more important than subjective feelings. A person with a penis is male. I will support them fully if they want to dress in a feminine way, have feminine interests, use a feminine name and pronouns. I will defend their rights to be free from discrimination in terms of employment, housing, etc. because of who they are and how they present themselves.

I can accept that they believe in a gendered essence in the same way that others believe in a God and I don't. They have every right to that belief. They don't have the right to demand that I share it, or pretend to share it at risk of being called a terf and told to suck their ladydick and die in a fire. They don't have the right to intrude on sex-segregated spaces because of their beliefs about gendered inner feelings. That's the difference. And it's impossible now to talk about 'trans rights' without knowing what sorts of rights are meant.

I don't understand why transactivists are so focused on trying to get people to accept a biological impossibility, namely that a woman can become a man and a man can become a woman.

Wouldn't it be simpler and more logical to campaign for an end to gender stereotyping? Why aren't people saying that a little boy who likes dressing up, playing with dolls and having long hair is absolutely fine as he is? Why aren't they saying it's a good thing for boys to be sensitive and to want to talk about their emotions? Why aren't they doing their damnedest to bring boys up not to be violent and to have a really good understanding of the importance of consent in sexual relationships?

What about looking at the very negative effect on girls' self-esteem of all the pressure to look perfect? What about telling girls that it's absolutely fine to have short hair, enjoy physical play, not wear skirts, get grubby, do well at Maths and Science?

What about pushing conservative religious groups to accept that homosexuality exists and always has? It is not shameful or scandalous to have a child who is gay or bisexual. What is shameful and scandalous is to push that child down a path of hormones and surgery for the rest of their life, because you have decided that the totally unscientific myth that a child can be born in the wrong body but can be medically treated to change that body is fine, but accepting the child for who she/he really is is impossible.

How the fuck can a male 3 year old child 'feel female'? His parents would rather have a mutilated 'daughter' than a gay son. Jazz hasn't got a choice other than to be sure, because otherwise, his whole life has been a lie.

Yes I do know about the process it takes to transition, and actually I have no issue with how it stands at the moment.
What I have issue with is the changes to the bill which will mean that you literally just have to fill in a form, so yes it will be as simple as saying ‘I am a woman now’.

Gileswithachainsaw No laws have been past allowing people to just “tick boxes” so I think fearing something that hasn’t even happened or is being seriously talked about is both paranoid and pointless.

For some reason women on this thread demonise trans people and turn their transphobia into some attempted womens rights concern but it’s easy to see through that guise.

But I try to be a decent human being
So do you think it's ok to house violent, presurgery, rapists, in women's prisons then? Because that's what some transactivists are campaining for.
being ok with transpeople killing themselves is fine you do realise that those claims of transpeople killing themselves in record numbers have been debunked, then. They're not statistically possible. Repeating false information about suicides is socially irresponsible as it can be a factor in suicide contagion. But I expect you know about that, being such a decent person.

The issue seems to be that you think that saying that a biological man can’t become a biological woman is transphobic.

If you think that then you are going to see transphobia.

You didn't answer the question.

If it happens what do you actually think

Go on tell us

No the law hasn’t been changed yet, that’s why we need to talk about it now.

I have spoken to a transwoman, and still have all the same concerns.

My family member is a MTF and prior to transition he (as it was then) told me he wanted to be a woman.
"What have horrible period pain, social pressure to wear makeup/shave legs, get sleazed on, feel unsafe alone, be talked over at work then have your ideas stolen, pay gap, wifework, emotional labor, and then the risk of pregnancy and childbirth?"

My family member waffled on for a bit but eventually it boiled down to dresses, make up and jewelry. Oh and slinky underwear.
I looked at myself and the total lack of slinky underwear, dresses and make up in my possession. Yes I posses jewelry but don't wear it.

I then asked said family member if therefore I wasn't a woman?
And why couldn't they do all that as they were? Eg look at Bowie!

I got no real answer. I suspect there isn't one.

And since transition my ASD mentally unwell, alcoholic family member has been unable to get treatment for their other issues as apparently it will all be fine when the next stage of transition is complete.oh sorry, that didn't work? Maybe the next stage. Or the next...

Yeah, the current trans movement is really great for everyone, trans people included

Can the OP explain what 'feeling female' is?
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Declaring oneself female is exactly all it takes. The whole point of the change in law is that it would not require transition of any kind. Requiring any proof, such as appearance, to justify being in a sex segregated spaces would be illegal. So if a big, hairy man sits naked in the female changing room, you'll have to put up or leave. Asking for assistance will be a hate crime.
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FYI to expect or require transition of any kind in order to identify as trans is really transphobic. HTH

I've never seen anyone say they hate transpeople. So your point is pointless and your "shock" fake.

I hereby dismiss you as a goady fucker.

CuriosityKillrdTheCat

Gileswithachainsaw, No laws have been past allowing people to just “tick boxes” so I think fearing something that hasn’t even happened or is being seriously talked about is both paranoid and pointless.

Erm, OP you are obviously extremely misinformed! This law is up in front of parliament NOW.

And stop being so fucking patronising. Telling people they are being “paranoid and pointless” for wanting to discuss something.

OP that change to the law is being seriously talked about. I'm astonished that you have apparently read so many transphobic posts on MN yet never come across discussions about the proposed law changes.

Bring a woman is not just about the possession of a vagina. It is anout the bundle of formative experiences - which are the result of biology - which shape us as women.

No laws have been past allowing people to just “tick boxes” so I think fearing something that hasn’t even happened or is being seriously talked about is both paranoid and pointless.

Oohhh I understand now, you just have no idea what's going on.