To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

Pennypickle, I was correcting the part of your post that 1) gave the impression that anyone referred to as 'transwoman' had had their penis removed and 2) suggested there are, in reality, things you can do to 'become a woman'.

Either way... which of the aforementioned (or other up to date names they call themselves on an almost weekly basis) do you think should be welcomed to share changing rooms and toilets with young, vulnerable, female teenagers or vulnerable adult women?? And why???

I think changing rooms and toilets should continue to be sex-segregated. And I don't believe, for instance, that a man having removed his penis, or taken any of the 'steps to become a woman' you allude to, makes him any more eligible to enter spaces of the opposite sex. Talking about 'steps to become a woman' implies such a thing exists, and that you can do things to push yourself along a spectrum from XY to XX. It does not, and you cannot.

So we’re supposed to believe there’s no way a sexual predator would go to all the trouble of transitioning, but a woman wanting to inherit would.
And it’s transphobic and hysterical to discuss the former but totally acceptable to enshrine the latter in law.
Dickheads.

^^YEAH!

These are the kind of people I am scared of having access to women and girls safe spaces.....

If you don't say I'm a woman I'll rape you until you do.

How much plainer can sociopathic men like that make it?

They're so clear about it. They don't even try to hide how much they hate women.

busyboys that screenshot deserves a thread on AIBU all to itself.

Why is that not tagged and treated as hate speach?

Bloody hell

Why is that not tagged and treated as hate speach?

I'm assuming because misogyny isn't classed as hate crime

It's such a common pov in the community that it's been normalised Italian . Take a look at terfisaslur.com/ which collects examples of tweets.

I think hate speech totally understates the seriousness of that threat- it appears to be aimed at a 15 year old child. How is it not a prosecutable offence to make that level of threat against a child?

Betty it is on some parts of the UK. But with the internet I am not sure what the boundaries are (of jurisdiction).

Bucket yes I have Terf is a slur. Vile examples. How are they allowed to get away with it?

Inertia yes you are right if course. It is actually a threat if rape against a minor. Why are these people not prosecuted. I don't understand.

Have seen teed is a slur.

OP should take a look at that site. Google it. Quite an eye opener about who is part of the trans 'community'.

The screenshot is the kind of thing I see very often these days unfortunately. Nothing shocks me anymore. Except for how some people seem to be almost willfully blind to it being THAT kind of person that the proposed law changes will benefit. And apparently its feminists that are the horrible ones in this fight. Its feminists the hatred is coming from. sure.

My God. In fact I have seen that screenshot before, and I have seen many similar rape threats from trans-identified males but that one still horrifies me. She's a child, ffs. I hope/wish that man's ip was traced, that he was charged with obscenity and threats, and that police had a damn thorough forensic search of his house and devices.

I agree that arsehole should face a criminal prosecution for that tweet. With a full psychiatric evaluation.

It enrages me when idiots, after being linked to terfisaslur or similar (and probably not bothering to read), say that the harassment and abuse is "on both sides". As if it's equal. No, it's not comparable.

Another post from a woman who doesn’t have a handle on how transactivism has very negative impact on women and our protection in law. If any old person with a cock can start claiming they are a woman out legal protection under equality legislation is fucked. Also people with dicks telling me what it is to be a woman - don’t think so! The more you read up on it the more you realise what a load of bullshit it is. Men claiming they are women by pandering to stereotypes that feminists have been trying on debunk for decades. mirandayardley.com/en/transgender-ideology-noes-not-support-women/

Why have I only just realised ALL of this? Why is there no discussion in the mainstream media?

l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2017%2F05%2F02%2Ftrans-activists-will-destroy-homosexual-rights%2F&h=ATMZNIA6BWwqtvLKi02yDJVuCu4VwgfK4WuFzh9moYw69s1jVKmgQ6ENC8y9-tNLvuPsOeIriXa1HHfw2tt09cnwlJQnqgMNwZ4j6zVhcA&s=1&enc=AZNFrheKa2g1hpc7-CtZA29U5ZfZTh3pZDvz658l6fgt0ACbszfOxhfPmk5ph37ODki8WHOwb2-HANM6QgHe5kAy

Discussion is almost always shit down for fear of offending trans women. Women or men who bring up these issues are accused of being transphobic.

I think the only reason we can discuss this here so 'successfully' is because it is anonymous.

Can anyone link to sites which help explain what is happening?

sexandgenderintro.com/how-did-we-get-here/

Interesting audio link

wlrnmedia.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/edition-16-the-money-behind-the-trans-movement-and-impact-on-lesbians/

medium.com/@oliviabroustra/dear-trans-women-trans-identified-males-5d62e0f2ce57

And the number of men affected by primogeniture is minuscule - first they have to have a title to inherit and an older sister who would be willing to publicly transition to a man in order to inherit. However of course these men's interests are protected against their over-reaching (non-existent) older sisters. But it's hysterical and neurotic to be concerned about the motivation of the entire male populations.

^^ This. Thank you for saying it so clearly.

There are a couple of religious exemptions which nobody is talking about -

C of E clergy are not obliged to marry trans people even if they have a GRC. I expect this will stay as it is.

Priests/Rabbis/Imams etc. are exempt, I think under the 'genuine occupational requirement' rule.

This could get interesting. This is the same exemption that allows women's DV and rape crisis services to employ only actual women for frontline roles. Miller was keen to get rid of this exemption:

Exemptions in respect of trans people

21.Significant concerns have been raised with us regarding the provisions of the Equality Act concerned with separate-sex and single-sex services and the genuine occupational requirement as these relate to trans people. These are sensitive areas, where there does need to be some limited ability to exercise discretion, if this is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. However, we are not persuaded that this discretion should apply where a trans person has been recognised as of their acquired gender “for all legal purposes” under the Gender Recognition Act. In many instances this is unlikely, in any case, to meet the proportionate test. (Paragraph 132)

22.We recommend that the Equality Act be amended so that the occupational requirements provision and / or the single-sex / separate services provision shall not apply in relation to discrimination against a person whose acquired gender has been recognised under the Gender Recognition Act 2004. (Paragraph 132)

Interesting times.