Does our PM understand this at all? Trans

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/19/trans-not-illness-theresa-may-says-vows-make-reforms/amp/

Equality for everyone!!! Hurrah!!

Apart from the fact that equality means the erosion of rights from 50% of the population.

But let’s jump on the bandwagon of being cool and accepting....and not doing any research into the subject, for example how drugs that suppress puberty can result in life limiting side effects.

Let’s not talk about men convicted of rape who end up in women’s prisons or the medals won by men competing in women’s sport.

Agghh

They’re not if they have a penis, sorry. They may feel like a woman inside (whatever that is) but they are physically still a male person.
I think that is the issue until that person has the surgery to remove the male genitalia.

I wonder if you could replace "conseratvism/religion" with right and "transgenderism" with left, and it would show it. Does that work?

@justdanceaddict so you're also cool with someone who has been raised a man with male privilege, suddenly identifying as a woman. Hey presto, we have a woman CEO, look! There's no barrier on women becoming CEOs.

No problem with men saying "I'm a woman" and getting a place on the Jo Cox women's leadership program?

No problem with a man who has been brought up as a man and socialised as a man being the NUS women's rep because he "feels like a woman" and has had a neovagina constructed out of his scrotum?

They aren't women. They are trans identified men, they should be safe and respected but not at the expense of women.

This picture? A TIM who lived in a shelter for women. That's not and will never be a woman. Penis or not.

To elaborate, i think to the right it's a way of updating "women - know your place". Also see TM/thatcher "acts like a man", hence the position etc...

So if the aim is to have trans demedicilised and not recognise as an illness does that mean that people with gender dysphoria won't be able to access mental health support? Because if so that's actually quite terrifying.

What, like the rest of the population, including suicidal teens and children who are self harming?

Why are trans people so special that their particular mental distress should trump everyone else’s including children and the disabled?

Is it because they’re men, have male entitlement and expect to be at the front of the queue for everything else in life?

My Uni's "women in STEM" group accepts anyone who "identifies as a woman". I'm sure that will help with the lack of women in stem thing...

Why is mumsnet so anti-trans? 😒

Next time I have a pip review, I wonder if they will accept my word that I identify as disabled, rather than those invasive tests that undoubtably cost money?

What about the women who got thrown out of the women's shelter in Canada? They felt uncomfortable sharing a bedroom wirh a trans woman.

Hate crime.

Because women who have experienced motherhood are more likely to acknowledge biological differences?

I'm not anti trans. I'm pro women.

Because women who have experienced motherhood are more likely to acknowledge biological differences

I think that MN is so gender critical and pro women's rights because a few brave women stood up over a year ago now (before I got here) and fought for this and, as a result, it has evolved into a beacon of light in a murky merde ocean, attracting others.

Because, @Didntcomeheretofuckspiders, MN is one of the only safe, open places that one may discuss these issues. Look at what happened to Robert Webb when he dared to engage on twitter -

twitter.com/arobertwebb/status/911545666425548805

I'm not anti-trans, or transphobic, or a bigot, or any of those silly words that are thrown around whenever this subject is discussed. I'm a woman, i'm the mother of a young woman and I demand that our hard-won rights are upheld. I will not be thrown under the bus by a feeling in a man's head. It's just not happening.

Exactly Nickynackynoodle

I'm not anti-trans. I'm pro trans acceptance.
But when trans ideology emerged, with the idea that trans women could be "lesbians" and call lesbians hateful bigots, and say they are biological women, and sterilise gender non conforming children, well...

I don't get it, I've tried, but I just can't grasp it.

It seems to me that a certain percentage of men are identifying themselves as women purely because that's what they feel like doing when they wake up in the morning. It doesn't work like that, does it? I'm a discriminating against someone because I don't particulary agree with their whim?

I'd like to identify myself as a certain celebs husband but we all quite clearly know that that would be bollocks.

I absolutely support the rights of trans people to be treated equally and not be discriminated against.

However that means separately. Because the wearing of a dress and make up does not make the person a woman. Woman is not a costume.

It's a biological reality.

I'm not anti trans - I believe they should have equality in housing/education/employment etc and freedom from violence.

I do fundamentally disagree with the genderist ideology though - that women are defined by sexist tropes and stereotypes and that subjugation of women is eroticised... from high heels to foot binding, women's discomfort and violence is taken as a fetish for male sexual pleasure. Gender is not a spectrum of enlightening choices to be made in the commodity market (clothing, make up, shoes, cosmetic surgery, glittery cupcake sprinkles etc etc)... it is a violent hierarchical system of oppression (just like race and social class) used to subjugate, control and exploit the life-bearing class of humans for their sexual, child bearing and caring labour.

^ plus yes to what they said.

Gender is not a spectrum of enlightening choices to be made in the commodity market (clothing, make up, shoes, cosmetic surgery, glittery cupcake sprinkles etc etc)... it is a violent hierarchical system of oppression (just like race and social class) used to subjugate, control and exploit the life-bearing class of humans for their sexual, child bearing and caring labour

Beautifully said.

And I absolutely love the fact that mumsnet is a place where I can come and discuss my concerns about this highly emotive issue without having my comments deleted.

Bringing the discussion into the mainstream media is imperative.

I am not anti trans. I am pro trans acceptance. They should be treated be treated equally and not discriminated against.

However I am pro women. Transwomen are not female. They are not women and should not be treated as such. To treat them as women outs actual women in danger in many instances or in others means women don't get fair or equal treatment. Transwomen should be treated equally and fairly but not in the same way as women.

Well said not another Spartacus

Sorry it was bah who said it!