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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

... to feel like dirt under DH's shoes?

424 replies

ShirleyValentineTwo · 12/10/2017 23:17

Feeling sorry for myself and wondering why I have let it get so bad. At the end of most exchanges with DH, I end up feeling I have said something wrong as he invariably looks down his nose at me.

We started off equally qualified with me as the most likely to succeed according to our track record (e.g. publications, opinions of peers) but I habitually did all the shopping, cooking, cleaning as well as holding down one or two jobs at a time. I pushed for setting ourselves up property-wise whilst he met up with friends for skittles, football, pub evenings etc.

Once we were comfortably off, I could see he delighted in the status of us having more money than our peers (through my efforts mostly) and we decided to try for a family. He had prior to this gone off on a conference with a female colleague after telling me he was going with his male boss and it wasn't appropriate for me to join them. I found out about this lie from another colleague and DH didn't deny the female colleague and he went alone but made excuses that we weren't getting along and he had to get away for a bit but she wasn't the reason, only happened to be going too.

Anyway, we had a DC and I carried on working and struggling with my extra business until it was clear I could give up my academic job and be a SAHM but with more income from my business coming in and making us quite comfortable. He was free to 'work' late in comfy academia with conferences, meetings and many intelligent people to liaise with and never having to do school pickups, half-terms, sickness or any other parental duties. In fact, he was not very hands-on with DC and I am still sad and bitter about this loss to DC.

Roll forward two decades later and he is now sauntering home late into the evening, barely speaking to me and when he shares some snippet from work and I dare to offer some opinion on some practice his many female colleagues (academia is female-heavy these days) carry out, he derides me, looks at me like I am scum, often walks off and tops it with the silent treatment.

He has moved out of our bedroom complaining I snore. I have taken to drinking over half a bottle of wine waiting for him to get home whilst I cook his dinner. I still do all the cooking, cleaning, housekeeping, pet care as well as maintaining the sideline business. But I am no longer an 'academic' and my opinion counts for nothing.

AIBU to think I am a waste of space in his life nowadays? That he would benefit more from my being dead as that's what I feel he is waiting for?

OP posts:
ptumbi · 18/10/2017 17:00

Funny - until it is your life.

I didn't write a 'script (talking of which, have you read "the script"? It's linked to on here - and they all follow it....) - I was writing what I think he may be up to.

It is tragic that you think his sudden interest in dancing is somehow a 'ray of hope' for you and your marriage. I bet if he suddenly starts taking an interest in his appearance, dresses younger, grow/shaves off a beard you will think it's a sign that he is looking forward to a renewed lust for life with you.

Really - read the bloody script.

ptumbi · 18/10/2017 17:02

Once More

FredericaFreiheit · 18/10/2017 17:23

Hi Shirley

You are obviously not ready to leave (yet) no matter how terrible the situation.

However if you stay, please don't underestimate the cost to you. The fact that you sit at home drinking whilst he is out either working or entertaining says a huge amount. Your child(ren) no longer live at home - why aren't you out with friends? Taking up a hobby - singing, art, sport, drama? This should be the time in your life when you spread your wings. I feel like you are an empty vessel - all your focus is on him (and the women he meets). What about you? I have to be honest - your life sounds quite joyless.

Quite a few people have mentioned therapy. I really feel this is something that can help you - regardless of what you end up doing. You sound as though you have been conditioned to care for others - and that your self-worth is tied up in being a 'carer' - so it's understandable that not supporting your husband would seem terrifying.

Whether or not you stay with your husband it is clear you do not want your life to continue in this way. What is stopping you from making a change? You have posted here - that's brilliant. You don't need to do anything drastic - just take one more step. Join a club / gym - ring an old friend and meet up for drink - find a therapist or talk to a lawyer (pick the least scary one).

whiskyowl · 18/10/2017 17:32

shirley - I can't think of a tactful way to say this, so I'm just going to come out and write it. Apologies if it seems blunt.

Could you be suffering from a version of what I call academic Stockholm syndrome? This is where a charming, abusive guy basically uses his intelligence to convince those around him that he is something very special, and that their lives will take on a different colour if he isn't around to shed his light on them. It seems to be strengthened by abusiveness, which becomes a mark of how "special" the person's genius is and how gifted and special they are, and not the general, ordinary-issue aresholery that it actually is.

WHY ARE YOU WITH THIS MAN? You sound like you are financially independent, only in your 50s, intellectually gifted, charming, funny and clearly quite sweet. Why are you waiting for someone to fire a starting gun to live your life in a happier way? You could be travelling the world and dining out, not sitting at home nursing a bottle of wine and waiting for him to return to you.

scootinFun · 18/10/2017 18:17

Funny.... bloody hell.

Doublemint · 18/10/2017 18:49

It sounds pretty tragic from here.

He probably only wants to do the dance thing to keep up appearances. But hey, it's your life.

BackInTheRoom · 18/10/2017 19:06

5/7 stages of grief? Denial? I feel for you, its a horrible situation to be in 💐

redshoeblueshoe · 18/10/2017 20:41

Its the pick me dance.

NewView · 18/10/2017 22:01

How about you start small? Eat your dinner early- go out. Make sure there is nothing convenient in for him to eat.
What do you enjoy doing that you haven't done for ages? Exercise, pottery, theatre? Go out, enjoy it and come back exuberant and happy.
Turn the tables on him and see what happens.
I was where you are a few years ago and I think you would be amazed how little you need alcohol if he is not in your life.
And if he has his name all over your business then start withdrawing cash and squirreling it somewhere.

CoyoteCafe · 19/10/2017 02:50

I really agree with starting small and starting to bring a little joy into your life. Flowers

Orangewater33 · 19/10/2017 03:51

Shirley please try an a find a good therapist/counsellor and make private appointments to help strengthen your resolve to leave and have someone who can reinforce reality for you.
I know you say you need a couple more years and I understand that but this is abuse and it is debilitating.
Please read up on Narcissitic Abuse nd please start organizing a get out plan.
Prepare yourself for him to either beg you to stay because he can't exist without someone to emotionally leech from or to become a monster during the breakup.
I really feel for you.
Please understand you are worth more than this.

Protectingmydaughterfromfilth · 19/10/2017 03:56

Meets with friends for Skittles.....?! HmmHmm

ptumbi · 19/10/2017 08:42

ANyway - I'm out. I'm not posting advice for the OP to have a good laugh.

I really think you are being a martyr, and a wimp. I don't wonder that your DH views others as being more worthy of his respect - you have so little for yourself, but moan about it and do nothing about it.

I really hope one day you wake up, get angry, and get out - before he does it to you.
I really hope you safeguard yourself against that day he does walk, because he will have no problem taking half (or more) of whatever you have built up. He will have no problem walking out, because after all, your life is only to make his as comfortable as possible, as 'it's no bother' really.

Motoko · 19/10/2017 09:01

Are you even going to take some of the advice on this thread, about making a life for yourself, with hobbies, friends etc? And getting some legal advice?

Or are you just going to carry on as before?

scootinFun · 19/10/2017 09:45

It sounds like Op has stated how she feels then has panicked and tried to stuff it all back in the bag. Problem is it’s very obvious this man doesn’t care. Op you can sort yourself out and protect your assets or you can hide your head in the sand and watch as he strips you of everything you’ve worked so hard for. Let’s not forget that your children will be financially disadvantaged..., anyway, at the very least consider seeing an accountant about your business.

Greyponcho · 19/10/2017 10:13

Yy on reading up about narcissistic behaviour

CrikeyPeg · 19/10/2017 19:48

OP, has he actually said you'll both be taking dance lessons or has he just said he's going to book some? My bet is once he has done some lessons it won't be OP he is dancing with ...

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 19/10/2017 19:56

I really think you are being a martyr, and a wimp. I don't wonder that your DH views others as being more worthy of his respect

Now then now then ! Even if she did laugh at your advice stay the bigger person and don't victim blame Wink

ShirleyValentineTwo · 19/10/2017 21:35

Further proof that if I don't do exactly as others say that I should, then I deserve all I get and worthy of no respect.

Sorry, although I agree I have a problem, I haven't heard any worthwhile solutions. Under the circumstances (i.i. no good solution), and as a few have also stated, best to give it a little more time.

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."
Epictetus

OP posts:
Dowser · 19/10/2017 21:59

I like new views advice.
When I got the...I love you but I'm not in love with you speech.

I dried my eyes and booked a week in Spain.
He took me out for dinner ( the sweetener)
Him.. oh by the way, I won't be at home at the weekend , I'm going away

Me..oh neither am I. I'm going away too. I'm off to Spain for a week.
Him( shocked) when were you going to tell me.
Me...I've just told you

It felt good.

JustWonderingZ · 19/10/2017 22:06

OP there have been plenty of worthwhile solutions and some sound advice for you on this thread. However, you choose to laugh it off Hmm

your life, your choices

Mix56 · 19/10/2017 22:20

Shirley that is very obtuse. this is an open forum you cannot expect everyone to be gentle & say OK then drive into that wall, off you go
The overall consensus is that you need to get out & protect your assets.
Take it or leave it.,
What kind of worthwhile solutions do you want us to invent ?
Your response was on the back foot. & clearly you are taking a pop at the wrong target.

Foxysoxy01 · 19/10/2017 22:20

It's lucky you find it funny OP seeing as this is your life and it really doesn't affect any of the posters on this thread how your 'darling' husband treats you.

I'm glad you can see the funny side as I would be feeling rather tragic in your position.

You're obviously a smart woman why the hell are you wasting away with him? Sad

Nanny0gg · 19/10/2017 22:39

Sorry, although I agree I have a problem, I haven't heard any worthwhile solutions.

What solution did you want to hear?

FluffyWhiteTowels · 19/10/2017 22:49

NanntOgg has it summed up.

The initial OP post was so sad

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