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Thoughts on being a functioning heroin addict?

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marthaedensnumberplease · 29/09/2017 19:11

I have a friend - she is a mum of 3 kids with quite a large age gap between them:17,10,4. She "told" me tonight (I put 'told' in commas as it was the end-point of a long convo) that she has been smoking heroin since she has been a parent (she's 37 now) but only doing it once a fortnight, slash every 3 weeks, plus only smoking, never injecting. I have literally been round to this woman's house twice a week for the last five years for a bloody nice dinner .....and never guessed.

She has a very good job, a clean house, kids are lovely. She reckons there ARE people like her.

I think she said stuff like "never have guessed", "not like one thinks" as I bemusedly left.

She has the kind of life - relationship with kids, relationship with DH, success in jobs etc that I would envy. She said that "smoking the occasional bag privately" makes her feel better and able to be who she is

I don't even have an aibu. Just wondering if I'm being a shit with the judgements I previously had until today.

OP posts:
BertieBotts · 03/10/2017 21:47

The third factor for risk of harm is mental health problems. People would (quite rightly) be up in arms if you suggested "reporting" every parent who struggles with mental health to social services.

This idea that social services need to monitor and look in on everybody who might not be living the perfect MC life is really insidious. They are necessary and I'm glad that we have a system to protect vulnerable children, but it's not appropriate to contact them over every little thing that MN seems to think it is. Let's actually leave it for children who are being harmed rather than worrying about people being imperfect.

Lucinder · 07/11/2018 16:38

I know people for whom drinking does not agree with them and opiates do - recreationally, occasionally. The criminalisation of opiates forces people into criminality. It should be noted that the same people up the chain who supply heroin and coke also supply cannabis, it's not generally a separate trade - so if you buy pot it's just as much funding guns and prostitution trafficking as class A drugs do. I would advocate for decriminalisation and regulation of ALL drugs, safer, cleaner and most important of all taking the money away from organised crime gangs doing horrible things. Many people worry we would have a sudden epidemic of addiction but people generally self regulate - the really unhappy people who get into desperate situtations will do this regardless or legality, the only difference is they will do it more safely and without hopefully the ignorant social stigma which forces people to have to lie about their activity for fear or judgements made based on fear and misunderstandings. Uhg sighsore point with me, I stick up for my mates - also grew up in an alcoholic household - legal and painful.

MrsStrowman · 07/11/2018 17:04

@Lucinder this thread is over a year old

UniversalAunt · 07/11/2018 17:24

Spot on, Bertie Bots

Good enough parenting is good enough.
It is a different matter where children are directly exposed to harm & danger.

So far, for the OP, there is no evidence that the children are exposed to harm or danger & she has stated that contacting SS is not a priority.

^Quite she means that people seem to think that social services can magic children out of family situations which are imperfect but not awful and make everything better either with "support" for the parents (who of course would immediately be gushing with grace and happiness that social services offered this, and not defensive at all) or perhaps by removing children from the home that they know and are reasonably happy and settled and at-least-mediocrely looked after in and placing them with a nice infertile couple somewhere who will love and care for them and be perfect parents.

Or perhaps what's really meant is that they want/think social services will scare the parents into better behaviour and/or punish them for not conforming to some MN parenting standards people have made up in their heads, and that this will cause the parents to see the error of their ways and change and everything will be well again.

In reality - no. A social services investigation is terrifying, even if you don't think you've done anything wrong. It's basically a reminder that people exist who have the power to take your children away for good which is a very primal kind of fear. Scared people do not act in their own best interests as they tend to revert to instinct as the overload of adrenaline prevents rational thinking. Like the way that somebody might shout too loudly or even smack or shake a child who has just acted in a way which endangered their own or their siblings' life.

Social services are stretched and do not have endless resources to offer support. So even if somebody does not act defensively and angrily and is receptive to offers of help, the help offered is likely to fall far short of what is actually needed. It will not usually be extended long enough to be valuable and so it often does not actually solve the problem. There are certain situations where contacting SS for support might be helpful but I believe these are few and far between. Usually support is targeted towards families who are actually in danger of having children removed, since it can actually do more good here.

Additionally, most people don't see any problem with the way that they currently behave, otherwise they would change the way they behave. It takes introspective thought to change one's own beliefs and thought patterns and social services or their supportive resources do not have magical mind altering beams (which I'm sure we're glad of!) so it has to be a person's own decision to change. In most situations where social services is suggested on MN, this is not the most effective or efficient way to change someone's view, in fact because social services tend to be seen as a threat it's an especially ineffective way to change someone's views and the poster would be better off trying to support their friend themselves or point them towards services which might be able to help them in a more understanding way.

Lastly, yes social services can remove children, but this isn't like rehoming a dog because the owner doesn't have time to walk it properly and it is getting overweight. Children unlike dogs are human and humans form extremely complex bonds and attachments. The attachments children form in their early years are essential to their future development and breaking any attachment, even if it is not a healthy one, is harmful and causes damage to the child. Children who are removed from parents are almost never moved immediately to a permanent adoptive home as the best course of action would be that the parents make the necessary changes and the children can return. Which means that children in the care system are moved to foster homes, where they will have to adjust to being cared for by a complete stranger, will come into contact with other children who have been exposed to likely far worse things than they have themselves who could have extremely destructive or harmful behaviours. They are not able to be told by anybody what is happening to them long term which is hugely unsettling and of course most importantly of all they have absolutely no choice or say which must be terrifying, and which all together makes for a traumatic experience - again, trauma harms.

As the care procedures can be long and complicated children are often moved in and out of foster care, often between different foster homes which compounds the trauma and sense of loss especially if they form new attachments to have them broken again. Even if a child is both unlucky enough to be unable to return home and lucky enough to be approved for adoption very quickly, it's still a traumatic experience to be taken from everything you know and placed with strangers who you are expected to learn to love and attach to. It doesn't matter in this case how nice the new adoptive home or parents are (and I'm sure, adoptive parents aren't perfect, like any parents) or how poor the treatment or environment at the child's home was, the child is still out of control, still experiencing a loss and the experience is likely to be traumatic. As mentioned, most children involved in the care system are not this lucky.

In short, it harms children immensely to be removed from their birth families and placed with a new one, no matter how lovely the new family is. That is why this step is only taken in very extreme cases where the harm from staying in the birth family is likely to outweigh the harm caused by removal.^

Cora1942 · 16/09/2019 16:23

I havent read all the thread. So apologies if already been said.
Safeguarding
When you wonder if you should ring social services then the answer is yes.
It not upto you to make the call whether it is abuse or not. Social services fo that. They have the knowledge and training.
They can gather facts from all aspects of the children's lives, family, school etc.
Wake up , wake up
Children suffer abuse every day while well meaning people turn the other cheek.

AJoeySpecial · 16/09/2019 16:31

@cora1942 - it probably had been said cos you’ve replied to a 2 year old thread.

Patroclus · 16/09/2019 16:38

I managed it for years until I couldnt anymore and ended up stuck on it. Supposedly most users arnt actually addicts. Im stuck on methadone even now. The main probem is with kids around is that when you're smacked up you get really really irritable. You do some completely fucking moraly questionable things getting hold of it as well sometimes. One dealer used to sell with her young twins just hanging around watching.

Patroclus · 16/09/2019 16:39

bloody nora its a zombie.

namechangedbecauseithinkiabu · 16/09/2019 16:39

I know a functioning heroin user who has been using for years (smoking also) and you’d never have known. Again, very successful women, own business, lots of friends, you’d never look at her and dream of it.

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